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| Bulls 2011: Kearney, L'Estrange, Jeffries, Herbert, Ah Van, Royston = 6
Bulls 2012: Kearney, L'Estrange, Jeffries, Lulia, Purtill, Sammut, Manuokafoa = 7
I'm not including Elima (both years), since this issue is really about antipodeans not genuine Europeans, and in any case he has played 8 of the last 11 seasons in England. If you include Elima you might as well also include returnees from Union.
Note that Jeffries is now a British Citizen, FWIW.
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| I dont have much of a gripe either way, Yes it would be nice to have all local lads in the team & all clubs should aim for that. But we all like to see the top stars from down under play in our league just look at the intrest in Wille Mason at our club despite the fact that it was an ill thought out disaster. Also look at the Joel Tomkins move to union if thats how its going to go then who can blame clubs from picking up already trained players?
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| Of note so far.
Hull KR have the most and their chairman is moaning about the new cap increases based upon producing players for England teams - some might say perhaps linked?
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| The comparison should be 2012 squad vs 2009 squad (the first season of the last franchise period).
The Crusaders collapse will distort things somewhat, but I think the RFL made the right decision there.
There are also a number of players granted special dispensation as they were signed pre-2008(?). Willie Manu at Hull for example.
Some of the players granted dispensation will have retired by the next franchise period, and the total number will once again fall.
It's heading in the right direction. Don't forget we also have the non-fed rule, which helps counteract the players on EU/Kolpak passports.
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| As someone has already posted but just to reinforce it again:
Cas 2011: Ryan McGoldrick, Rangi Chase, Dean Widders, Nick Youngquest, Willie Isa.
Cas 2012: Ryan McGoldrick, Rangi Chase, Nick Youngquest, Grant Millington.
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| Bradford - 2011 - 6
2012 - Kearney, L'Estrange, Jeffries, Lulia, Purtill, Sammut, Manuokafoa - 7
Castleford - 2011 - 5
2012 - Mcgoldrick, Youngquest, Millington and Chase - 4
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Hull FC - 2011 - 7
2012 - McKinnon, Martin, Seymour, O'meley, Moa, Heremaia, Manu - 7
Hull KR - 2011 - 11
2012 - McDonnell, Webster, Green, Dobson, Clinton, O'Hara, Withers, Paea, Galea, Mika, Lovegrove - 11
Leeds - 2011 - 7
2012 - Webb, Delanney, Hauraki  Leulai - 4
London -Â
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St Helens - 2011 - 5
2012 - Tony Puletua, Sia Solioa, Francis Meli, Josh Perry, Chris Flannery, Anthony Laffranchi and Lance Hohaia - 7
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Warrington - 2011 - 6
2012 - Hodgson, J Monaghan, M Monaghan, Waterhouse, Solomona - 5
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Wigan - 2011 - 8
2012 - Â Roberts, Richards, Carmont, Finch, Leuluai, Lima, Lauaki - 7
Down three up to now, anymore?
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| Quote ="Stinky Turner"Of note so far.
Hull KR have the most and their chairman is moaning about the new cap increases based upon producing players for England teams - some might say perhaps linked?'"
Well we had 4 in the knights squad until two pulled out for operations so I doubt it's a concern
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| Quote ="MrPhilb"Well we had 4 in the knights squad until two pulled out for operations so I doubt it's a concern'"
It's a concern that there are 11 spots in the HKR squad that are not filled by players who qualify for England. People keep saying that HKR have some youth development, is it based in Sydney?
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| Quote ="Teessidewire"It's a concern that there are 11 spots in the HKR squad that are not filled by players who qualify for England. People keep saying that HKR have some youth development, is it based in Sydney?'"
I wish it was we would win the super league every year and the c cup and grand final bring it on
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| Giants 2011 Fa,alongo, Fuiamu, O Donnell, Simpson
2012 l think Simpson has gone so 3
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| With two new teams and a salary cap of $6mill in two years time the NRL player pool will dry up for SL anyway. Either you really will just get the dregs that NRL doesn;t want or you will see a dramatic reduction in numbers. Will be interesting to see if the SL skill level drops for a while with dramatically less/lower quality overseas players.
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| Quote ="Teessidewire"It's a concern that there are 11 spots in the HKR squad that are not filled by players who qualify for England. People keep saying that HKR have some youth development, is it based in Sydney?'"
I believe because of English parents Lovegrove and McDonnell have British passports and Webster and Galea probably qualify on residency. I know its not really the point, but I guess KR have proven with the likes of Welham, Cox, Taylor, Watts, Latus and to an extent Sheriff that there is still a path available to the first team from the academy even with a large dosage of imports.
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| Quote ="Ron Weasley"I believe because of English parents Lovegrove and McDonnell have British passports and Webster and Galea probably qualify on residency. I know its not really the point, but I guess KR have proven with the likes of Welham, Cox, Taylor, Watts, Latus and to an extent Sheriff that there is still a path available to the first team from the academy even with a large dosage of imports.'"
Being in a pedantic mood i would point out that watts wasn't developed from your academy.
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| Quote ="morleys_deckchair"As the OP pointed out.... its not a quota fiddling finger pointing exercise..... it was simply a number of overseas born players.
I'm pretty sure he was born overseas.'"
You had better add two more to the Saints then, the Ashe brothers, both born in New Zealand.
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| Quote ="pyeman"Being in a pedantic mood i would point out that watts wasn't developed from your academy.'"
True, but you could argue Hull KR put their faith in him as a young home grown talent when Cas weren't prepared to. He's still a young English player who's regularly in the 17 and made the Knights squad despite being at a club that according to some are restricting home grown talent by having too many imports.
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| Quote ="Ron Weasley"True, but you could argue Hull KR put their faith in him as a young home grown talent when Cas weren't prepared to. He's still a young English player who's regularly in the 17 and made the Knights squad despite being at a club that according to some are restricting home grown talent by having too many imports.'"
It wasnt the we werent prepared to put faith in him, he played first team and was in our plans but him and westerman were always getting ed together one of them had to go and we understandably kept westerman.
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| Quote ="boomer"Giants 2011 Fa,alongo, Fuiamu, O Donnell, Simpson
2012 l think Simpson has gone so 3'"
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| Quote ="Sheldon"Chan?'"
Sammut too?
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| Quote ="dirtbag83"Sammut too?'"
At Bradford, not Huddersfield.
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| Quote ="pyeman"Being in a pedantic mood i would point out that watts wasn't developed from your academy.'"
Let's be pedantic, he's played in our academy so yes it was part of his development
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| Quote ="MrPhilb"Let's be pedantic, he's played in our academy so yes it was part of his development'"
I remember dean widders playing in our reserves, does that mean he was developed from our reserves team?
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| Quote ="pyeman"I remember dean widders playing in our reserves, does that mean he was developed from our reserves team?'"
That's why I said academy not reserves. Watts has developed through the coaching of Rovers u18s, and 21s as well as a spell in the championship. How many 1st team games had he played before his rovers debut? 1 or 2 something like that?
He's classed as homegrown for Rovers I think that says it all
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| Quote ="MrPhilb"That's why I said academy not reserves. Watts has developed through the coaching of Rovers u18s, and 21s as well as a spell in the championship. How many 1st team games had he played before his rovers debut? 1 or 2 something like that?'"
By the time watts got to kr he was ready for first team action, your academy hasn't developed him, playing for your first team has improved him. He left cas in 2007 and was playing in your first team in 2008.
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| Quote ="pyeman"By the time watts got to kr he was ready for first team action, your academy hasn't developed him, playing for your first team has improved him. He left cas in 2007 and was playing in your first team in 2008.'"
Obviously not, seeing as though it took until 2010 for him to get a proper look in
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| Can't be bothered reading through so don't know is Saints has been done but:
2011 - Sia Soliola, Francis Meli, Josh Perry, Tony Puletua, Chris Flannery - 5
2012 - Sia Soliola, Francis Meli, Josh Perry, Tony Puletua, Chris Flannery, Lance Hohaia, Anthony Laffrinchi - 7
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