I suggest you view some stats then.

O'Loughlin > Ellis

=#8000FFWhich one was voted world player of the year in their position 2 years running? who had the balls to go play in the NRL? who is regularly picked for GB/England?

There's no competition, Ellis is a far superior player to O'Loughlin, and not to mention, for the 2nd time in this thread, they play different positions.

O'Loughlins usually injured come international time.
He was the best forward in the 07 series imo

I wish people would drop the club bias when looking at players ability. Few on here seem able to do it as is illustrated on this and other threads. Ellis and Thaiday IMO are the best second rowers in the world. Along with Burgess would probably make the best back row in the world. Shaun O aint bad but there are aussies that are better. Dont mean that Sean could not make it in the NRL.

Don't forget Watmough and Gallen, if your all talknig about worlds top back rowers.

I know, but it hurts some for players from their team not to be mentioned.

I dont think many are being biased.
The rest of the post is pretty spot on but I said I don't think there's any team in the world with THREE backrowers better so he'd go alright anywhere

There is plenty of bias on this and the england squad thread. A wigan fan on this one is certain Sean O is the best back rower in the World!! Plenty of bias on the England squad thread too. A lot coming from Leeds supporters who think their players are unrivalled. When talking about the best of whatever on here too many see club colours and everything else goes out of the window.

he was played in the 2nd row for a majority of that series was'nt he?

ellis has handled the 2nd year syndrome well

the only thing i dont get is when he is asked if hes enjoying the game he replies "im enjoying my roogby"

WTF is he on about?

Them yorkshire folk eh Dally

Well at least it is rugby--not footy which seems to encompass three sports in Australia

All Eliss offers to the NRL is to provide a Buzz Lightyear lookalike for the kids to laugh and point at.

He is not fit to lace the mighty Paul Gallens boots.

=#8000FFStill pretending to be an Aussie I see?



You're boring and it's about time you grew up and realised that he's one of the better players in the NRL and would walk into the NSW team, if he could play for them.

Barry McKenzie is as Australian as a packet of Arnotts Scotch fingers coated in Vegemite.

Eliss is very average compared to such legends as the mighty Gallen

He did, but being a typical Leeds fan you were too busy looking for the next big thing even though you already had it. Very sad.

Why, can't he lace them up himself, wow how mighty he must be

Gallen - can't even make it into a very poor NSW side - that says all you need to know about one of the dirtiest players in the NRL.

The fact the press are obsessed with the size of his legs rather the quality of his rugby say much about the quality of his rugby.

One thing is for sure Gallen is not in Greg Bird's league or Nathan Hindmarsh let alone those selected for NSW

Oh dear.

Ablett is a wierd one, he looks like a pure 2nd rower, and has the build for it, He looks like he should be the next Ellis, big runs, outstanding defence, great workrate. But he really isnt that type of player, he has simply worked hard enough to do a good job like that. He has very good hands, a good brain and runs good lines.

He is kicking on now and i think id he carries on how he is we will make that leap Westwood and Langley never did

Gallen









Another racist ocker who gets off pssing in public.

Whilst were discussing back rowers I'd just like point out 2 at my own club. Fitzgibbon and Manu. Both have been outstanding this year IMO.

By the size of his hindquarters I reckon he should be in the front row not the second. That way he could change the emphasis in his gym work to suit and really improve.

Ablett could develop into a very good second row. Back row is the one area where England have some real talent and strength in depth. If Ellis and Burgess are fit I'd start with them in the second row. Burgess would be wasted at prop IMO, and Graham/Morley/Peacock can all do a reasonable job there.

I rate O'Loughlin as well. I've said before I think his style of play translates well to internationals. He's not going to try to be a major ball handler for England, which is a good thing. That approach hasn't worked for years and I doubt it ever will again.