Because that would be way too reasonable, obviously



It seems some are happy to say "Our referees are bad, ah well, nothing we can do about it" and some would like to see something done about it!

No, it's more valid because you are an ignorant boor.


Do you have short term memory loss?

YOUR AGENDA
1. Referees are "on pedestals"
2. They need to be "brought down"
3. They are apparently unaccountable
4. their performances are 'p*ss poor'
5. the 'refereeing standard has dropped'
6. they 'aren't good enough'
7. they should be publicly slagged off, to jolly well teach 'em


... which would, in itself, be a perfectly reasonable thing to want.

Again, nothing wrong with that (if you ignore the fact that this is the system we already have)

why? what would it achieve??

The ref didn't win the game for Huddersfield, Huddersfield did. The ref didnt lose the game for Hull KR, Hull KR did why should the ref apologise?

The only recent incident I can remember where the ref has actually cost a team the game was in the Millennium Magic game when Leeds scored in the last minute, and guess what, the ref admitted he was wrong.

To be honest when Anderson was critical of Smith last year I'd have gone along with that. Collective punishment and it'd be tough on Thaler (that dripping sound is my heart bleeding

), as he'd be under intense scrutiny as to whether his judgement had been affected in either direction, but we can't have coaches, even one I like and admire, telling the RFL what to do - there has to be a hierarchy, otherwise the game would end up in chaos.

It could work in Rovers favour if we don't get Thaler for a while, Morgan might even regard any fine as money well spent, but it shouldn't.

No its just some of us don't thin knee jerk reactions and public floggins are the way to achieve a better standard of refereeing, just as doing the same to a player wouldn't make him a better player.

If you listen to him after games where we have lost you will know he is far from a sore loser, in fact he is quite honest about our performances, what was annoying on Monday was the performance of a so called top official, which would have had any of SL coaches spitting feathers, let alone the fans getting irate. He was awful, there is one thing allowing the 'odd' encroachment into the ten to be overlooked to keep the game flowing, but in some of the sets he only took them back about 8 metres AND let them stand a metre offside, unless Crabtree has all of a sudden become faster than Usain Bolt from a standing start.

I know he will cop a fine, but as he said, he has raised the issues with the RFL through channels in the past and they have done nothing, now we have a pathetic performance from Thaler (again) and he has let his emotions get the better of him, he never once said we did not deserve to lose, he was quite clear we were the worst team and played badly.

I hope someone buys the match DVD and puts it on Youtube so you can all see how shocking Thaler was.

But if a player was consistantly performing poorly, he would be dropped into the reserves until he improves, the coach would not keep playing him KNOWING he wasn't up to it.

Stop blameing the reff blame your players and your Coaches,the Giants were too good for you move on.

Are they? Presumably this is selective quoting of his post match comments by the media then - Morgan also talked about where he and his players failed in their attempt to beat Huddersfield?

Watched the highlights on the SL show and have to agree that the officials missed two blatent forward passes. Both involved Hull KR and both resulted in trys to Hull KR.

Clearly Morgan is being misjudged, he actually is feeling sorry for Hudds and how they conceeded two trys unfairly

Which is precisely the system that is in place actually, and referees are a bit different to players if you havent noticed! Unfortunately we havent got a big pool of top referees in SL and I'm also unsure how a stint in the lower leagues would help?

That's not really true.
The press & public will criticise players, coaches & officials alike.

But.... Put the boot on an other foot......

But if Karl Harrison had decided to criticise Daniel Anderson by saying [i"Anderson made a bone headed call by running that offensive play - he cost his team victory"[/i - there would be total uproar!!!

Or worse...

Ben Thaler came out in toomorrows press and said - [i"I was really unimpressed with Willi Talau's tackling. He had so many missed tackles that he clearly cost Salford the game"[/i
Thaler would probably never officiate an RL game again in his life!!!!!

It's not just Ref's that are protected from criticism, Players are protected from criticism and Coaches are protected from Criticism!

Morgan wasnt complaining about Thaler when he incorrectly disallowed a last minute try for Saints last year that would have won the game.

Wrong.

And if a ref is consistently performing poortly, it's up to the controller of refs to take action, not individual club coaches.

Nothing wrong with a bit of assistance though.

Or Brian Noble. Don't forget his outburst a few weeks ago.

Assistance? You think action could be taken now even in the highly unlikely scenario of Cummings agreeing with Morgan?

and meanwhile, its advisable not to hold your breath

Simply because it wasn't a try, even Thaler couldn't pull that one out of the bag.

Can't remember what happened actually - was it the Saints player had knocked on, or the tackle had been completed before he offloaded? Either way I remember that it definitely wasn't a try.

Because I’m sick of people acting as if ref’s aren’t human and don’t deserve criticism or ever make mistake when in SOME instances they do.

On these boards people complain about and criticise everything from players & coaches to politicians and society but yet when one person even mentions a ref got something wrong the pro ref brigade are out in full force defending them to a hilt. It’s laughable how refs are put on such a high pedestal by some people and anyone wanting an apology or explanation to a bad decision is accused of having a vendetta or of being a sore loser.

I’m not saying ref’s cost teams game but what I am saying tho is some big decisions need explaining imo and if the decision is wrong then an apology would defiantly help and would stop massive debates ragging on forums like this and provide some sort of closure.

Why is it big decisions aren’t explained by the refs and if they are wrong why would it be so hard to admit it? Refs are human and make mistakes but for some reason they don’t seem to want to admit it?

Just as coach might protect an underperforming player, the RFL has to back its Refs if they are to retain their confidence. Poor refs should be 'rested', not 'punished', and that has to be decided by their line manager, not representatives of clubs (not directly at least). I like Morgan and I don't much care for Thaler, but if we won't have him, what is to stop Cas binning Ganson, Quins vetoing Bentham (as random examples) and so on until we can't put fixtures together?

Bad refs are like bad weather - it happens and there isn't much you can do about it. At least we got Thalered in a game everyone seems to acknowledge we'd have lost anyway.

[url=http://www.therfl.co.uk/about/page.php?id=232&areaid=54Ask Stuart[/url.

Although what does explaining big decisions have to do with Morgan having a rant?