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thanks fully and i hope your right.

As it seems that you are in the know about all matters relating to your stadium, perhaps you could clear a couple of things up. Has your ground now been sold and if so for how much, and if it has why did you not submit your fpp earlier instead of waiting for the money from the loan from Wakey council which was guaranteed anyway to submit those plans, and what other areas could the money have been spent on?

an agreemant is in place for wheldon rd to be sold has you know to ben bailey homes,they have a contract until oct 2011 at which point they can pull out if they wish.i wouldnt worry too much about that has there are other offers on the table.

dont worry about that money been made available has you know with the housing market banks will lend to those with plenty of equity and wheldon rd is worth plenty

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those close to the club are confident we have enough money to complete the build and finish the stadium at the first go,yes their is a small shortfall but there is also a lot of avenues to raise more money has the build starts i.e executive boxes,naming rights,sponsorship of bars,stands,buy a brick to name a few all of which will be easier to market once the building work starts.

has for your other question im not sure how the club could have put the fpp in any earlier when the full plans wernt complete until earlier this week,yes its taken a couple of months for them to be done has their were a few alterations to the orignal plan at the fans request which is to include a memorial garden.the onething the club was keen to do was to get the plans right before the plans were submitted has this is something clubs like warrington wishes they had done.

Thanks for the fuller explanation as against your mate's, which borders on the bravado and hope rather than knowledge. I am sure at the end of the day your chairman will have it all sorted out, there is just one thing that puzzles me though if there are other offers' on the table as you suggest, then why havent Ben Bailey homes bought the land already instead of dragging their feet and running the risk of losing out to other developers, as I'm sure you are well aware you cannot afford to wait until oct 2011.

Great news. One more hurdle completed. Unfortunatley, as it's christmas and this is the council we are talking about, it will stay in its envelope until the new year

I agree with you completely about criteria being applied objectively - Cas would be in before a number of other clubs - but the expansion clubs will be in regardless of the quality of their bids - I just wish the RFL would be honest about it. But, Cas and all other SL clubs signed up to the franchise system when it suited them - and I don't blame them for that, each club puts their own needs first and that's understandable. But they and all other SL clubs created huge difficulties for other clubs by consigning them to at least three seasons in a sub-SL standard competition with all the problems that brings - lower attendances, young talent moving away, difficulties finding sponsors, etc. A downward spiral that is hard to get out of. That is what the franchise/licencing system does. It puts those excluded from the elite league at risk. Some clubs will find it hard to survive three years in the wilderness. But, if it was good enough for Leigh, Halifax, Widnes, Featherstone, then it is good enough for Wakefield, Cas, Salford, Saints, et al. They were the clubs who agreed to the system in the first place.
Why we cannot combine promotion / relegation and minimum standards regarding stadia, etc, I don't know. Cas, Hull KR, Salford and Huddersfield managed to survive in 'division 2' when there was promotion to aim for. Cas did superbly well in maintaining attendances, but would they have managed quite so well if there was no promotion for three years? Who knows? But they and the others agreed to the rules, now, they must abide by them. I hope they survive, I really do. But whatever the aims of the franchise system, did anyone expect any different than to find clubs and fans turning against each other in order to preserve their own existence either in the top flight or in any league?

Castleford have been making stadium announcements for years. And still nothing! Cas can make spout whatever about the stadium but most will not believe the BS from them. Cas have received millions from sky over the years and spent it on players rather than the stadium. Cas are no betzer than a championship club. Widnes Barrow and Fax could match Cas now despite being forced to play in a part time league. Cas cant compete in sl and the best youngsters always end up elsewhere. Cas do not deserve to be in sl.

Did Santa not come to your house today?

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Cas are no better than Wakey. Full of talk over the years but done nothing. Cas fans will be defensive but the truth is Cas alongside others have done little to sort the stadium out. SL clubs would rather overpay an aussie than save and spend money on the stadium. Clubs have had around 15 years to sort things out. Cas Wakey and others have shown little interest in improving stadiums

building a stadium aint like buying an house it takes years of planning ask anyclub thats done it.

st helens,salford,cas,wakefield you are right have been hoping to build for years and all 4 have made steady but slow progress but are now beginning to bare fruit and hopefully will have new homes by the next couple of years despite the country been in worst financial mess its ever been in.

a question id like to ask is where do you think wigan,hudds,hull would be without their football clubs they share with ? not all clubs have had the luxury of having grounds given on a plate through council funding for multi purpose and have had to go it alone.

Did you say this to the cas fans who came down to support your club when you had the finacial crisis a few years ago and told everyone that if you didnt get a certain attendance for a game you could go under?

Who's his team pyeman.
Some right bitterness spouted there from him.

Absolute ballcocks but then I'd never expect anything factual from someone who is so intent on spouting rubbish to try and create an argument.

As usual fans with heads in the sand. It does take time to develop or build a new stadium. But clubs have been told for 15 years to sort this out. Some have had council or other help. But others like Cas Wakey Salford etc have done little about their stadiums despite having 15 years of being told to improve things. Now its panic stations to get something sorted. RL fans deserve modern stadiums. If championship clubs have found various ways to improve stadiums or builones then so should SL clubs. Clubs that are well run and have managed to put in the hard work to improve their stadium deserve a place in sl over those that have not improved their stadium or how they are run. Why should Fax Fev and Widnes be forced to struggle in a part time league and be held back? In what way are Cas Wakey Salford better than Widnes Fax Barrow and Fev?

So let's look - Widnes - built by Halton Council, no? Halifax - completed and paid for by Calderdale Council, no? Leigh - built with Council help, no?

Cas have been looking to develop a stadium since the early 2000's but as a club with limited finances and no sugar daddy at the helm, how do you propose we fund it? Additionally, the land at Glasshoughton has only been redeveloped over the course of the past seven or eight years. We have been planning this stadium since 2006 and unable to sell our current ground due to the Chemical licence at Hicksons. That in itself has caused a considerable delay over the last three years.

I'll tell you in what way Cas are better than Fax, Barrow and Fev? Most aspects. That's not to say that they couldn't be as strong in the future or if the tables had been turned, however, as we look at it now, I would place Cas as stronger than Wakefield and Salford too - but that's just my opinion.

They have been held back for one very simple reason, they were not good enough to either qualify for SL or were not good enough to sustain membership, but now because the RFL and Sky want new stadiums being shown on the telly screen all of a sudden those clubs you mention come into the arguement because of council help, and fwiw nobody is saying Cas,Salford and Wakey are better than those clubs currently out of SL and all three of them have a feasable argument for not delivering on time for one reason or another, and while you are banging the drum just remind what you have contributed to the development of the shay beside Calderdale council with the money you recieved from SL, if we follow your logic about grounds then the only club what deserve any recognition are Featherstone Rovers.

Contributed towards the construction of the Southstand, and seating of the skirtcoat road stand. The East Stand is the only one funded by the council.

Your very poor knowledge of what's happening with new stadia only deserves this response:

Questions;

1. Have Cas got a 10,000 seater stadium ready for 2012 season - NO
2. Have Wakey got a 10,000 seater stadium ready for 2012 season - NO

Therefore Wakey and Cas will not succeed in a franchise renewal, these are the only FACTS on the table at the moment unfortunately!

Super league

There"s other criteria to consider though. Stadia is but a small part of the licence process. That's the beauty of it.

And, if anybody bothered to look, the stadium criterion will be judged on the basis of whether, in the view of an independent assessor, clubs can deliver a stadium either for the start of the 2012 season or during it.



Fax fans seem to be getting a bit uppity recently. Finally completed that stand, courtesy of the council and Halifax Town have you