Yep even as a Leeds fan I'll easily concede that Wigan have clearly had it worst than any other club this year by a clear margin. I know people hate the likes of Eddie banging on about injuries during games but the number of and importantly length of injuries Wigan have had has been so bad you can't dismiss it because you just think it's excuses. Someone mentioned Hull having several out but the difference is Wigan have had a load out for what seems like forever now.

Just in time to save us from relegation it seems.

I agree bentham should have penalised wigan far more and pick up some of their numerous forward passes

Absoultely. His claim last night that a pass which led to a try wasn't forward despite it travelling forward about 4 metres was laughable

Having being at the game, at the time at no point did it look like any of those penalties were not warranted. That Hulls discipline (for once this season) was good should not be an issue.

Having watched the game back today on sky, quite how Wigans first was allowed, given Williams pass started 2 yards before the half way line and finished 2 yards after it is beyond reason. Surely Bentham was favoring Wigan given that? (not a dig at you, but the muppets on this thread).

That Cummings stated "the ball travelled the first 3 yards flat and then drifted forward" either suggests he should pop down to his sponsor, doesn't know the rules or is literally a nine bob note.

Ball didn't come out of the hands forward. Simple.

Hull scored a try off a forward pass (that Farrell got sin-binned for) anyway.

And as I posted on the Wigan board, I'd love to know if there's ever been a 10-0 penalty count before. Also find it unbelievably hard to believe that Hull, the 2nd most penalised team in the league didn't commit one indescretion until 50-odd minutes.

well i've watched the first half back and the only surprise is that wigan weren't penalised for holding down more. many times a hull player found his front and wasn't allowed to play it quickly. regarding farrell, forward pass or not it was still dissent, and he might be lucky to avoid further action as he continued to gob off after the yellow card

wait until you watch the second half!



as for the post above, just because the ball didnt come out of his hands forward it still travelled forward! so that 1 decision each on a missed forward pass leading to a try for both teams

Your inability to understand the forward pass rule is duly noted.

Your inability to understand the Laws of Physics is also noted.

The ball can't magic itself forward without a force being applied.

If the player passing it was running forwards, the ball can be expected to travel forwards relative to him.

A ball can't travel backwards for 3 metres then decide to go forwards on it's own.

rule of passing the ball in rugby is pass it backwards or as flat, that pass didnt it travelled forward, that is the forward pass rule, not what the muppets on sky say about momentum, or which way his hands are positioned

What if you threw a ball backwards into a strong gust of wind and it blew forwards? Is that now classed as defying the laws of physics?

Even the very basics of physics are lost on 'Ull folk

Go out tonight. Throw a stone at the moon. You will notice it heads in that direction. See if it gets there.

Quote ="number 6"rule of passing the ball in rugby is pass it backwards or as flat, that pass didnt it travelled forward, that is the forward pass rule, not what the muppets on sky say about momentum, or which way his hands are positioned'" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=box08lq9ylg Give this a watch. I believe RL refs base their decisions in the manner explained in the vid, hence the frequent references to the way the ball leaves the hands. That said, the runners involved in the wigan try didn't seem to be moving with sufficient speed to account for the distance the ball moved forward in relation to the ground and I thought it was a forward pass at the time. Didn't pay too much attention thereafter as it mattered little in the overall scheme of things so I might have been mistaken.

Quote ="number 6"rule of passing the ball in rugby is pass it backwards or as flat, that pass didnt it travelled forward, that is the forward pass rule, not what the muppets on sky say about momentum, or which way his hands are positioned'" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=box08lq9ylg Give this a watch. I believe RL refs base their decisions in the manner explained in the vid, hence the frequent references to the way the ball leaves the hands. That said, the runners involved in the wigan try didn't seem to be moving with sufficient speed to account for the distance the ball moved forward in relation to the ground and I thought it was a forward pass at the time. Didn't pay too much attention thereafter as it mattered little in the overall scheme of things so I might have been mistaken.

Are you suggesting gravity was the cause of the ball travelling in a forward direction? You're not a distant relative of isaac newton by any chance are you?

Did Tierney get away with his cynical two-footed lunge on Minichiello? That was a nasty moment - could easily have snapped his wrist.

We see this kind of tackle more and more often when a try is being scored - sliding in with knees/feet - it's extremely dangerous.

The stone initially defies gravity due to its velocity. The ball initially defies momentum due to its direction & velocity. There's a career as a physicist beckoning.

Because according to Eddy and co,he walks on water.

Tom Davies should've been banned for this on Tupou on Monday. What a surprise, no charge there. Tierney gets off scot free. Didn't Alex Walmsley get banned for this as well?

How does that work then?

Momentum is mass x velocity, and velocity is a speed in a given direction, so how can the ball initially defy something defined by its mass and the direction/speed it's travelling, and i'm not even a physicist.



That said, IIRC, Cummings said that ball was initially flat then drifted forward, which is just another of his "defend the ref at all costs" comments irrespective of what actually happened.

I haven't seen the game, nor can I see any videos linked here, but a ball absolutely cant travel forwards in relation to the pitch but backwards in relation to the players. There's a video out there - a Union one - that explains the momentum rule in an extreme way. The guy runs forwards, throws it back over his head behind him. The ball still moves forward from the point he threw it to where it lands (a few metres IIRC) but you could never argue it was forwards because he literally wazzed it over his head backwards.

As I say, I haven't seen the pass in question but this is more directed at the people who say that if a ball is travelling forwards in relation to the pitch it must be forward.

Thread is going around in circles.

It was a clear forward pass. The inertia of the ball would need a fair amount of forward motion in the first place. William s does not give them much forward motion, so for the ball to travel as it did, it was passed forward.

That Williams played the ref by running forwards once the pass had been made was cleaver play on his part.

Buggered if I know. I'm not a physicist yet.

Not really sure what you were meaning by this bit of your post but it's absolutely correct that a ball being carried by a player has a forward momentum (it has the same velocity as the player running) which factors into its movement when it's passed by the player.

eg, a player could be running forwards at a speed of 3 metres per second. The player than passes the ball backwards relative to his running self with his "hand speed" at 2 metres per second. Compared to the ground, the ball would still be travelling forwards at 1 metre per second despite the player passing it backwards compared to his run.

Anyway, kinda pointless writing this as that total rugby video is an excellent example, especially the clip of the player throwing it backwards over his head.

As for the 'forward pass' from the game that was originally being discussed, personally when watching the game I thought it was a forward pass. It went further forward than you might expect from a player running as he was and I wasn't convinced by his arm movements in the pass.

Fortunately it didn't have any effect on the final score. I also thought Hull scored from a forward pass earlier in the game.