I didn't say ALL Sydney clubs, I said some. There's probably 3 or 4 that need to seriously lift their game off the field if they are going to get their incomes up to $18mill+ that the big clubs in and out of Sydney are going to be at within a short space of time.

They will have the chance to 'lift their game' with a bigger stronger competition hopefully getting twice as much in TV deals.

Why is it such a big problem that some clubs are bigger than others anyway? The English Premier League has Manchester United getting 75k every home game and then Wigan Athletic who only get 13k for some games and thats with 4-5k away fans.

There is definantly potential for a 20-24 team comp in the future. I just don't know how you would split them up without peeing people off.

just be happy perth are getting a team soon and leave it alone

yes cronulla are poor

penrith have 8000 juniors you numpty ...growing at 10% each year, you want them kicked out when AFL are trying to expand in the west?

lol thats the kind of thinking i expect from guttertroll

the NRL is a sydney centric competition, it cant survive without sydney

if you dont like that go back to england cause its never changing

20 - 22 teams ...play other other once

or 2 divisions - NSW competition and the rest playing each other home and away

each division having their own semi final series (top 5 format) with the 2 division winners going into a Super Bowl game

Strong will survive, weak will be gone. Law of the jungle. Sydney is overcrowded and as the NRL continues to grow and clubs require greater incomes to be competitive it is inevitable. I'm not saying it should be forced, it will happen anyway as the comp gets bigger and bigger and big city teams dominate the comp. The days of the NRL being a glorified NSW cup are coming to an end, I think the decision to include a Brisbane2 and Perth over another NSW team will signify the NRL's intent.

In regards to the extra grant from a much improved TV deal, reality is it will be going in players pockets. Clubs will be about $1/2mill better off a season (current gap between grant and salary cap) but I can see the NRL grant going up to say $5-6mill and the salary cap going up to match it.

back on topic, the Dogs v Souths game next week should get another 30k+ crowd hopefully.

lol so no melbourne storm then eh ?

and will perth make a profit ...

without a salary cap most of the clubs that would struggle would be the non sydney ones

if you dont like a sydney centric comp dont follow the nrl ...thats never going to change

we are the centre and lifeblood of the competition

It's important for RL not to move out of core areas and let other sports in, to lose Penrith or Parramatta now, just when a afl side has started would be a disaster, as would leaving Manly.

I don't know how Penrith can I
improve attendences and their finiancial loss, but surely Manly could improve attendences with a improved stadium?

No1 sport in australia? That will be the one that isn't sydney centric then

In another reflection of how fast RL is developing in WA the WA Reds SG Ball side today picked up their first ever away win in the last game of the season. Downing the worlds biggest Jnr RL nursery, the Reds beat Penrith 28-22. What we lack in numbers we make up for in quality!

If Reds get in who do you think would make a good coach? Someone who is good with growing home grown talent, having patience to ride the initial losses and provide his club for the future. Bennet obviously but he has no intereest in starting another club.
Tim Sheens has an eye for local talent, but has Australia duties. Realistically, who do you think would be good?
Brown? Potter? Chris Anderson? Michael Hagan?
Graham Murray would be my pick if he wants/is free. Ex QLD, NQ and I think roosters boss would be ok.

Both NathanBrown and Daniel Anderson would do well.

Gus Goulds contract with channel 9 is up the end of 2012, maybe a challenge for him.

I'd like to see Brisbane Ekka get some games, and I think a Ipswich Logan team would be best, but Brisbane 2 looks good to be in the NRL, and the Brisbane Rivalry will be amazing to see in the NRL.

Like the massive Sydney derbies


Expansion, be definition is to take the game to NEW areas. The reason AFL gets a TV deal that's the same or better than NRL is because of the country wide reach...AFL is a national game, NRL is not (yet)

There's 9 teams in Sydney, there'll be two in Brisbane, it will be massive.

I don't doubt that it might be massive.....I really don't. What I do have doubts about is the rhetoric spouted by some as if it is a divine god given right that Brisbane will see 2 teams averaging 35k each when the Broncos have only just reached that figure.
The AFL team gets about 25k average.....the wendyballers get 10k....there's a fair few other things fighting for the attention (and dollars) of the Brisbane public.
As I say, I don't doubt that a 2nd Brisbane team would be good for the game, but not at the expense of a NEW franchise.....I would bin one of the 9 Sydney teams to make way...penrith or cronulla are the worst attended teams in Sydney and by all accounts, Penrith are leaking cash at an alarming rate.......
I would like to see WA and a team from South Australia.....in Adelaide. The NRL need to think like the AFL.......Gold Coast will struggle in the AFL this year, they are on a 20k average and I believe they will have many millions thrown at them over the next 5 years...the NRL need the same attitude......like the Storm......stick a team in enemy territory and don't give up......and the TV deals are partly based on "potential reach"...2 new state capitals wouldn't hurt

Graham Murray, Justin Morgan or Nathan Brown would do me. When's Craig Bellamy's contract up?

Quote ="JB Down Under"In another reflection of how fast RL is developing in WA the WA Reds SG Ball side today picked up their first ever away win in the last game of the season. Downing the worlds biggest Jnr RL nursery, the Reds beat Penrith 28-22. What we lack in numbers we make up for in quality!'" I missed this for some reason. Well done mate, moreso as it was at Penrith. I'm waiting for the final standings to be put up. But you're ahead of some more famous teams. Well done once again www.nswrl.com.au/default.aspx?s=sg-ball-ladder

Quote ="JB Down Under"In another reflection of how fast RL is developing in WA the WA Reds SG Ball side today picked up their first ever away win in the last game of the season. Downing the worlds biggest Jnr RL nursery, the Reds beat Penrith 28-22. What we lack in numbers we make up for in quality!'" I missed this for some reason. Well done mate, moreso as it was at Penrith. I'm waiting for the final standings to be put up. But you're ahead of some more famous teams. Well done once again www.nswrl.com.au/default.aspx?s=sg-ball-ladder

Morgan? I doubt he'll ever be a first team coach in the NRL.

I don't know, he does lack a bit of technical expertise but he has done a good job at two clubs now starting from basically scratch and lifting them to decent positions. Ideally someone like a Graham Murray or Sheens with Morgan as assistant ready to take over in 2 or 3 years would be the best combo imo.

Who'd have thought Cartwright would be a decent coach a few years ago?

Quote ="Rooster Booster"I missed this for some reason. Well done mate, moreso as it was at Penrith. I'm waiting for the final standings to be put up. But you're ahead of some more famous teams. Well done once again www.nswrl.com.au/default.aspx?s=sg-ball-ladder'" Cheers, it's been a good year and our performances have been alot better this year. A couple of games we should have won (CC and Canberra) would have been a much fairer reflection on our efforts. Just a shame we have nowhere for these kids to go now, an under 20's side would have been ideal. Some will hopefully get picked up by other NRL Toyota cup teams and others will go into the WARL which will strengthen the local comp. Next year will be pretty much a whole new team.

Quote ="Rooster Booster"I missed this for some reason. Well done mate, moreso as it was at Penrith. I'm waiting for the final standings to be put up. But you're ahead of some more famous teams. Well done once again www.nswrl.com.au/default.aspx?s=sg-ball-ladder'" Cheers, it's been a good year and our performances have been alot better this year. A couple of games we should have won (CC and Canberra) would have been a much fairer reflection on our efforts. Just a shame we have nowhere for these kids to go now, an under 20's side would have been ideal. Some will hopefully get picked up by other NRL Toyota cup teams and others will go into the WARL which will strengthen the local comp. Next year will be pretty much a whole new team.

Surely if WA get a franchise for 2013 they'll run a Toyota cup for 2012?

The best ones will get scouted and some that aren't the best will have the Orr bros and other agents sniffing round.

Now you know what it feels like for juniors from Balmain, Wests, Norths who no longer have indendent U20s teams. A few kids will now come a cropper especially in the forwards as a result.

Bit different, Norths kids only have to travel 20kms in any direction, ours have to move 3000! Balmain and Wests have an NRL team they can feed into.

Yes Sheldon it has been muted that if we get the nod we will look to have a Toyota cup team next year, not sure how they would work the fixtures out though?

Is the Brisbane Ekka a good ground? I don't know if you remember, I did my business project on making an NRL Team there.

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