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| Quote ="chissitt"I have never claimed that Ted,s IVA was irrelevant what I said was it had nothing to do with the club directly, that was the comment I made which was then twisted round to suit your argument, you might not like it or believe it but its common knowledge regarding the RFL and its ruling on chairmen in an IVA so why do you persist that I am in ignorance of it when in one of your earlier posts you conceded and I quote "eventually you are getting there". If there is any clarification on any matters at the shareholders meeting I will let you know then you can be the first to let everyone know hth, sorry about the insult but I just assumed that your deafness to what was being said was due to the constant buzzing in your ears.'"
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I take it the above response to my post has something to do with the buzzing in your ears, with the lack of a sensible reply to my explanation in the above post.
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| Quote ="chissitt"Sorry for misleading you squire, you [uobviously[/u assumed we were talking rugby league clubs in general, when I was in fact refering to just Sl clubs, which unless I am mistaken and will apologise in advance rules out Mr Morgan who has only coached you in SL for four years iirc.'"
Terry Matterson. ![Wink icon_wink.gif](//www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//icon_wink.gif) Took over in late 2005/early 2006. Kear did not come in at Wakefield until late that season IIRC.
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| Quote ="chissitt"I take it the above response to my post [uhas something to do with the buzzing in your ears,[/u with the lack of a sensible reply to my explanation in the above post.'"
Back to the thread topic. Ted being in an IVA severely weakens wakey's bid.
I did ask another wakey fan the following:
- have RFL /SLE made deductions in wakey's sky money so as to pay clubs owed money by wakey?
- have wakey ever requested an advance on sky payments?
- have wakey been particularly tardy in their settlement payments to players?
If such things were so then the RFL would have further concerns about wakey in SL. Sadly the fan with great contacts has gone quiet....any insights chissitt?
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| We can all surmise until we are blue in the face about Wakeys problems, the truth is nobody really knows what is going on and I think I will just carry on as normal until next July comes along and see what happens. The thing that really disturbs me is the all the negative vibes, not just about Wakey but other clubs as well. At the moment the dark side must be laughing their heads off knowing that at this present time they are a far better organised game than league could ever hope to be.
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| Quote ="Ceejames"icon_rolleyes.gif
Back to the thread topic. Ted being in an IVA severely weakens wakey's bid.
I did ask another wakey fan the following:
- have RFL /SLE made deductions in wakey's sky money so as to pay clubs owed money by wakey?
- have wakey ever requested an advance on sky payments?
- have wakey been particularly tardy in their settlement payments to players?
If such things were so then the RFL would have further concerns about wakey in SL. Sadly the fan with great contacts has gone quiet....any insights chissitt?'"
Nobody claimed to have 'great contacts' as you well know. Just because the poster replied within an hour with a view that did not suit your argument you attempted to pour scorn upon his/her post with a pathetic attempt at sarcasm. How long would you expect it to take to find out if somebody you knew was getting paid? A 2 minute phone call? A quick text message? It's hardly difficult to find out. I am also sure that if it was true that people had not been paid for 2 months then we would have heard a lot more about it as not many folk could survive, especially in the run up to Christmas, with no wage for 2 months.
As for your other questions you may need to first find somebody with the 'great contacts' to answer those or if you are that concerned give the club a ring and see if they can help you out.
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| Quote ="Fully"Terry Matterson.
Took over in late 2005/early 2006. Kear did not come in at Wakefield until late that season IIRC.'"
When I thought about it after I had posted I had an idea that TM had been there longer than Kear and I knew somebody would let me know but tbh I was'nt sure whether it would be you or Pyeman ![Wink icon_wink.gif](//www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//icon_wink.gif) but if I got picky I could say that he spent 2 of those seasons in the championship ![Smile icon_smile.gif](//www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//icon_smile.gif) as I said at the time, off the top of my head I thought he was the longest serving coach in SL, it was not a challenge laid down to prove me wrong simply a reply in an exchange of views with another poster, once again sorry if I have misled you.
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| and STILL this thread goes on about rubbish and not the IMPORTANT part!!!!
What happens on the field.
It is the KEY point of RL
Why can't people see that?
25 pages of utter claptrap!!
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| Why would Wakefield owe any money to another SL club?
Certainly not transfer money as recent (last 10 yrs) transfer fees have been payable to Trinity.
Maybe shared cup gate receipts but I know for a fact that there have been no transgressions in that area.
??????
Clubs requesting an advance on SKY money is a regular occurrence and happens every year, so much so that it's not even newsworthy to report when it happens anymore. I'm sure Wakefield is one of those clubs along with a number of other clubs some of whom you would be surprised.
Clubs and ex players often get into dispute over what one thinks is the correct settlement and the other having a different estimation. Depending on which side you hear or sympathise with you could find merit in either argument so the outside is no place to cast judgment from because you're not privy to the details.
All this will matter not to the resident jester who will continue to cast aspersions and trot out negative insinuation. When questioned SHE will trot out the "I never said that the club had done this, I was just asking a question" defence that most moronic posters use when caught out in a deceit.
Still it won't stop them from continuing to spit bile and spout crap.
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| Quote ="chissitt"icon_smile.gif Better get to know which is which then, we don't want to turn up in the wrong league in 2012
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| Quote ="Ceejames"
[Is that the buzzing starting again
[uBack to the thread topic[/u. Ted being in an IVA severely weakens wakey's bid.
[Standard reply from you when on the back foot
I did ask another wakey fan the following:
- have RFL /SLE made deductions in wakey's sky money so as to pay clubs owed money by wakey?
[pass, you obviously asked the wrong fan or you would be telling us instead of asking.
- have wakey ever requested an advance on sky payments?
[pass, give Sky a ring they're the obvious ones to ask.
- have wakey been particularly tardy in their settlement payments to players?
[pass ask me one on pop music
If such things were so then the RFL would have further concerns about wakey in SL. Sadly the fan with great contacts has gone quiet....[uany insights chissitt[/u?'"
Well yes actually, even without a question mark is your opening sentence a question or just your opinion on what the RFL are thinking, with regards to the fan going quiet we can only assume he has realised he is wasting his time trying to talk sense to somebody what refuses to to recognise someone elses point of view. and finally my last word on the matter out of 41 posts on this particular thread by you, 29 of those have been on the thread title but out of those, 22 of these posts have been identical and with what you would perceive as careful editing by yourself in an attempt to fool the posters on here, you are only fooling yourself if you think you are fooling those on here and there can't be many what have suffient patience and interest left to follow your personal bile spewing tirade against Wakey. Why don't you just fade away gracefully and come back with some new material if and when it becomes available or if not just make some up, what amazes me is why should you care about us anyway, why don't you go and give the Wrexham Crusaders the benefit of your wisdom and experience, I'm sure that there will be the odd bit of gossip you could turn into something juicey. For now ![WAVE icon_wave.gif](//www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//icon_wave.gif)
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| Quote ="chissitt":3au06dnuWell yes actually, even without a question mark is your opening sentence a question or just your opinion on what the RFL are thinking, with regards to the fan going quiet we can only assume he has realised he is wasting his time trying to talk sense to somebody what refuses to to recognise someone elses point of view. and finally my last word on the matter out of 41 posts on this particular thread by you, 29 of those have been on the thread title but out of those, 22 of these posts have been identical and with what you would perceive as careful editing by yourself in an attempt to fool the posters on here, you are only fooling yourself if you think you are fooling those on here and there can't be many what have suffient patience and interest left to follow your personal bile spewing tirade against Wakey. Why don't you just fade away gracefully and come back with some new material if and when it becomes available or if not just make some up, what amazes me is why should you care about us anyway, why don't you go and give the Wrexham Crusaders the benefit of your wisdom and experience, I'm sure that there will be the odd bit of gossip you could turn into something juicey. For now
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Writing about me again ![Rolling Eyes icon_rolleyes.gif](//www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//icon_rolleyes.gif) ![Wink icon_wink.gif](//www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//icon_wink.gif) but if I got picky I could say that he spent 2 of those seasons in the championship ![Smile icon_smile.gif](//www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//icon_smile.gif) as I said at the time, off the top of my head I thought he was the longest serving coach in SL, it was not a challenge laid down to prove me wrong simply a reply in an exchange of views with another poster, once again sorry if I have misled you.'"
unfortunatly i was sleeping off a night shift! happy new year chissit, hopefully a better one for cas and wakey.
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| Can I just say how ridiculous it sounds that someone (with such persistence at that!) is attempting to bash a club for something that know-one seems to know is true or not and in fact he being the one that brought it up? Have Wakefield borrowed Sky money? Who knows, and if it's your suggestion then it is up to YOU to prove it right, not us to prove it wrong! You can't base an argument on something you've speculated!
Also, I think it would be the stupidest idea in the world for the BOD at Wakefield to turn around and say "we aren't applying for 2012, we're going consolidate." Why is it stupid? Because who the hell will want to watch/sponsor/be motivated to play for Wakefield in 2011 knowing 100% that they won't be a SL team in 2012 regardless of anything that happens on and off the pitch? It would put them out of business.
Sports clubs need to be ambitious to generate interest. Sport is about competition. Professional sport is about competition on and off the pitch. If you are openly stepping back before the season has even started, you're screwed in more ways than one.
In summary, I think Wakefield will go down. And I think they should have a contingency plan for if that happens. But they certainly shouldn't accept that as their fate and give up on all their fans and investors ever. Hopefully there will be more twists and turns to come yet with the Oakwell plan. Who knows? Barnsley could be a major backer of them in the end ala Wrexham?!
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| Quote ="Wellsy13""snip"'"
Its good that there is somebody left on here that has not got a personal interest in the club what is not completely bored by the same questions being asked all the time by one person who incidently has a proven track record of trying to cause embarassment to the club in the past and also under different user names. She knows full well that the only people what can answer these questions are the BOD yet still persists in asking them, you are right with what you have said but I doubt you will find the lady in agreement with you, good luck anyway ![Smile icon_smile.gif](//www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//icon_smile.gif)
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| Quote ="pyeman"icon_lol.gif unfortunatly i was sleeping off a night shift! happy new year chissit, hopefully a better one for cas and wakey.'"
Same to you Gazza lad and I hope you and your fans get what they wish for ![Wink icon_wink.gif](//www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//icon_wink.gif)
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| Quote ="Wellsy13"Can I just say how ridiculous it sounds that someone (with such persistence at that!) is attempting to bash a club for something that know-one seems to know is true or not and in fact he being the one that brought it up? Have Wakefield borrowed Sky money? Who knows, and if it's your suggestion then it is up to YOU to prove it right, not us to prove it wrong! You can't base an argument on something you've speculated!
[A deduction or an advance is not really borrowing. As for making arguments on 'speculation' you do it in the next paragraph! It did not take you long to contradict yourself
I look forward to you visiting all the threads speculating about how clubs will do in 2011 and lecturing them. An earlier poster claimed to have many contacts at trin and denied some coaches had not been paid. So I asked a few questions. Funnily enough that poster has been steadfastly quiet. let's wait and see
Also, I think it would be the stupidest idea in the world for the BOD at Wakefield to turn around and say "we aren't applying for 2012, we're going consolidate." Why is it stupid? Because who the hell will want to watch/sponsor/be motivated to play for Wakefield in 2011 knowing 100% that they won't be a SL team in 2012 regardless of anything that happens on and off the pitch? It would put them out of business.
[Loads of speculation there. Which is fine, unless you criticise others for speculating
So not putting a bid in will lead to destruction while putting one in and waiting a few months, and then getting a NO, would be okay.
Sports clubs need to be ambitious to generate interest. Sport is about competition. Professional sport is about competition on and off the pitch. If you are openly stepping back before the season has even started, you're screwed in more ways than one.
[The wakey squad will be playing for the Challenge Cup /Play offs and grand Final in 2011 whether they bid for a licence or get a licence. Can they only be ambitious if a bid is submitted? What a wimpish attitude.
In summary, I think Wakefield will go down. And I think they should have a contingency plan for if that happens. But they certainly shouldn't accept that as their fate and give up on all their fans and investors ever. Hopefully there will be more twists and turns to come yet with the Oakwell plan. Who knows? Barnsley could be a major backer of them in the end ala Wrexham?!
[I think wakey's best chance of long term survival wil be to stop wasting time and resources on a SL bid. If they focus on a stripped down backroom operation and getting a solid C1 squad + a decent smaller ground they could be competitive on the field. With gates of 2k+ and the benefits of their strong community work they could become far more stable financially. There is no lack of ambition there, just fewer pipedreams.
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| Quote ="Ceejames"Writing about me again
Try rugby...try the thread topic.
=#800000(I keep trying to talk rugby but for some reason you keep asking me questions you think I should know, Not once have I veered away from the thread topic try looking through it when you have a minute and you will see.)
Come on chissitt, on topic-
=#800000(Ah that old chesnut, when your on the back foot come back with your stock phrase)
[uHave wakey had deductions from sky £ to pay other SL clubs?
=#800000(See your post below)
have they requested advances on sky money?
=#800000(Once again see your post below)=#800000
These are issues about the viability of the wildcats. [u[Instead of 'analysing' my posts and making childish attempts at personal insults why not stick to topic. [/u
=#800000(just what have these issuse got to do with you?
By analysing your posts I am just simply making a point that your only concern is to cause as much mischief and embarassment to our club as you can.
Thats the third time in this pathetic attempt to cause trouble that you have told me to stay on topic, please feel free to admonish ne when I stray off it.
This would be particularly so if these things were done recently. After all, clubs usually have lower costs in many departments at this time of year plus they are flush with season ticket / shirt sales etc. It would not bode well for later in the season unless gate grow significantly.
=#800000Please do not confuse me with somebody what gives a t*ss what you think about any particular club's finance, save your theories for those what deserve them hth'"
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Back to the thread topic. Ted being in an IVA severely weakens wakey's bid.
=#800000You have already mentioned it 19 times already so I would guess that if I did not know already I certainly do now thanks for the heads up anyway
[u- have RFL /SLE made deductions in wakey's sky money so as to pay clubs owed money by wakey?
=#800000I could have copied and pasted this question 22 times but have done it only once in the above post to prove my point hth-
have wakey ever requested an advance on sky payments?-
=#800000once again you have asked the same question for the 22nd time as illustrated in above post again, you are now becoming very tiresome and boring asking the same old, same old, you are spent love, go and lie down for a bit and get rid of those voices in your head.
have wakey been particularly tardy in their settlement payments to players?
=#800000Just what interest is it to you anyway, just what is your point, on second thoughts I do not really want to know.
If such things were so then the RFL would have further concerns about wakey in SL. Sadly the fan with great contacts has gone quiet....[uany insights chissitt?[/[/uquote
=#800000Please see my last reply as to what insights I might have, nothing has changed except the fact that you are that determined in your crusade you put up the same post twice
go have a rest please I am becoming concerned with your welfare
Oh and btw it seems my attempt at humour was lost on you when you thought that I thought vitriol was an italian wine. This really is my last reply, I bet the nights just fly by in your house
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