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| I love this idea the flatcappers have that London is essentially just one big place where everybody buys into the same sports teams.
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| Then why call themselves London?
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| And what makes them valuable if they are just another small suburban team? You can't have it both ways!
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| Quote ="JB Down Under"And what makes them valuable if they are just another small suburban team? You can't have it both ways!'"
Correct.
Other possible Featherstone excuses - lower tier as opposed to SL, part time players and journeymen as opposed to the supposed best talent in the Country to watch, no away followings as opposed to regular big away crowds, crap ground as opposed to nice all seater with superb facilities.
Taking all that into account, on a regular Thursday night as opposed to a bank holiday, live on the TV Featherstone got over 1000 fans MORE than London did against Catalans. They also got 500 MORE for their last weekend game than London did their game with Hull at the Stoop.
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| Given the cost of travel and often during the week it would be interesting to see what away support nothern teams would take over a season.
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| Quote London is a city of 8 million whilst Featherstone is a village of 12000. Fev currently average 2000 roughly 18 percent of its population. Now go do the math for London and then tell me why fev need an excuse silly person'"
What about Salford and its locality to Manchester!!
So Fev got 500 more fans for their last home game-Thats significant progress if they take London's place!!! A town of 12000 has great potential- maybe they can copy the Green Bay Packers model where 80% of the population turn up!!
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| The Oldham derby between Saddleworth v Waterhead drew a bigger crowd yesterday and that's in Conference 1. And that was about 500 more than the town's professional club the day before in their derby match.
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| Quote ="Him"How long have Fev been in existence? If London are named Twickenham instead would that then make the crowds ok?'"
Jeez you're dim.
Fev don't need an excuse because they already are drawing more than the average from their locality - how can anyone not get that.
If London and that's what they are called not Twickenham drew just 1% of 8 million people they would be averaging 80,000. They are not even close to that. The whole point of a team in London is so we have a team representing the Capital so your ludicrous Twickenham argument has no validity at all which in you case is always the case. Featherstone only claim to represent Featherstone and in that respect do s bang up job.
By the way London have been in existence 30 years now and there gates are as low as they have ever been - yet unlike Fev have had unbroken membership of SL and all the funding and big games that provide. So yet another pathetic excuse on your part.
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| Quote ="wire quin"What about Salford and its locality to Manchester!!
So Fev got 500 more fans for their last home game-Thats significant progress if they take London's place!!! A town of 12000 has great potential- maybe they can copy the Green Bay Packers model where 80% of the population turn up!!'"
So it's just Salford now.
When Fev were last in the top flight they averaged 4,000 which were good gates pre SL. I'd imagine with their tip top stadium they would do even better this time.
Your so full of bullsh*t my friend. This potential crap you talk about is truly hilarious - it can only be potential if there is any real demand for the game - it is clear to anyone with a brain that nowhere near enough people in London give a damn, ever gave a damn or ever will.
You are so clueless and so lacking in your knowledge of the game it almost seems unfair to belittle you, but I will. It does not make a jot of difference what size Featherstone is or what percentage of their population turn up. What matters is that they will get gates well in excess of anything London manage and ever will manage and thus by definition have more potential and will have fulfilled that potential.
What really pees me off about you and your ilk is that your not just happy to flog a dead horse yourselves but you expect us to do it and pay for it to boot. A match against Fev will boast my clubs coffers by roughly 30-40k a season and as someone who considers the London experiment a waste of time is money we are being forced to waste on a hopeless cause.
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| We will let Fev have Gus, that'll drop the crowd numbers
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| Quote What matters is that they will get gates well in excess of anything London manage and ever will manage and thus by definition have more potential and will have fulfilled that potential.
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Can you qualify this utter nonsense?
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| Quote ="wire quin"Can you qualify this utter nonsense?'"
Given how much closer Fev is they will always get more away fans.
If they are getting more people in the gates in the Championship then they would only increase in Super League.
As those gates are higher than London's now by all accounts its preetty simple maths.
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| Quote ="vastman"Jeez you're dim.
Fev don't need an excuse because they already are drawing more than the average from their locality - how can anyone not get that.
If London and that's what they are called not Twickenham drew just 1% of 8 million people they would be averaging 80,000. They are not even close to that. The whole point of a team in London is so we have a team representing the Capital so your ludicrous Twickenham argument has no validity at all which in you case is always the case. Featherstone only claim to represent Featherstone and in that respect do s bang up job.
By the way London have been in existence 30 years now and there gates are as low as they have ever been - yet unlike Fev have had unbroken membership of SL and all the funding and big games that provide. So yet another pathetic excuse on your part.'"
What excuse are you on about?
So you're saying that Featherstone get better crowds than Man United?
Can you actually the question? If London Broncos were renamed Twickenham, would that make their crowds acceptable? What percentage of the area a club is named after has to turn up for it to be acceptable? What do you think of Leeds and Wigan's crowds?
Indeed London have been going for 30 years in various forms and have been in SL since its inception, and have never been relegated.
Yes London's attendances are very low, worryingly low. I don't believe I said anything contradicting that, so again, what excuse are you on about?
Can you at least try and engage in a civil debate without resorting to abuse at the outset?
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| Quote ="Road To Nowhere"The Oldham derby between Saddleworth v Waterhead drew a bigger crowd yesterday and that's in Conference 1. And that was about 500 more than the town's professional club the day before in their derby match.'"
Really? Can you prove that?
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| Quote ="JonB95"Really? Can you prove that?'"
The gate was declared on the official Saddleworth Rangers twitter and it's also on the match report on the club website.
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| Quote ="Him"
Indeed London have been going for 30 years in various forms and have been in SL since its inception, and have never been relegated.
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They had 2 teams in the London area in the 1930s , one had been the previous Wigan Highfield.
So it's been tried for much longer than 30 years.
Will it ever take off ? I don't know.
But how on earth they keep going is a minor miracle in itself.
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| There are no excuses that can be offered by anyone connected with the club I have followed for 11 years now with regard to their poor attendances.
The Current CEO was relieved of his last post due to a decline in attendances at Surrey CC and is obviously out of his depth in a role that he is not qualified for. The person who hired him, our Chairman, is a hobbyist who has little if any understanding of what it takes to run a successful business...he is a broker.
Since IL was told to step away, we have had 3 CEO's, one a good friend of the chairmen, the other 2 from cricketing backgrounds.......in that time, 2007-now, we have won only 54 of 171 games played (31%) and seen out average crowds drop by 63%.
David Hughes has said that he was prepared to bankroll the club during this licence period, so 2014 may well be the last season of his involvement. If this is to be the case, then another 100% cast Iron nutjob needs to be found to plough 1.5 million a year into the black hole that is London RL, or, The RFL need to step up the plate in the same way Melbourne Storm is managed as an expansion side.......
...as I say, 1,136 is unacceptable and if Woods wasn't on the blower to MacKay straight away then he ing well should have been.......
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| Expansion in London is a joke. If the RFL wanted a sustained expansion of the game they should have followed the general laws of physics. Expansion is best done from the centre outwards. A SL team would stand more chance in the Birmingham area than on London BUT that should only be looked at after expansion into the north Midlands (Stoke, Nottingham, dare I even suggest Leicester!).
IMHO Crusaders would have stood a better chance in SL had they formed in North Wales rather than the deep south.
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| Quote ="Road To Nowhere"The gate was declared on the official Saddleworth Rangers twitter and it's also on the match report on the club website.'"
That is astounding
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| some of the attendances at the heartland clubs were a bit worrying this weekend,given that the easter fixtures are usually derby games and used to attract massive crowds to them
the cumbrian derby used to pull in double the 1648 it attracted, york v fev only pulled in 945,the south yorks derby only 1253
and as has already been alluded to oldham-rochdale got 664!
never mind the expansion teams,when traditional heartland clubs post figures like that then it's very worrying for the game.
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| Quote ="JonB95"That is astounding'"
And I've been speaking to the Secretary of Saddleworth Rangers this momrning at the Standard Cup Final and he has confirmed the figure declared on Saturday is accurate and to be honest, it looked about right.
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| Quote ="Road To Nowhere"And I've been speaking to the Secretary of Saddleworth Rangers this momrning at the Standard Cup Final and he has confirmed the figure declared on Saturday is accurate and to be honest, it looked about right.'"
Honestly, I'm well impressed - how come these fans don't turn out at the Roughyeds ?
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| Quote ="JonB95"Honestly, I'm well impressed - how come these fans don't turn out at the Roughyeds ?'"
Er, let's say it's political and nothing more.
[url=http://www.pitchero.com/clubs/saddleworthrangersarlfc/news/1187-watch-rangers-win-derby-911154.htmlClub website article[/url
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| Quote ="meast"some of the attendances at the heartland clubs were a bit worrying this weekend,given that the easter fixtures are usually derby games and used to attract massive crowds to them
the cumbrian derby used to pull in double the 1648 it attracted, york v fev only pulled in 945,the south yorks derby only 1253
and as has already been alluded to oldham-rochdale got 664!
never mind the expansion teams,when traditional heartland clubs post figures like that then it's very worrying for the game.'"
Being part-time, having no chance of promotion and the door to the top firmly shut, then of course crowds in the lower leagues are going to be poor. Imagine football crowds in the Championship if fans knew they essentially had not a right lot to play for.
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| Quote ="JonB95"Honestly, I'm well impressed - how come these fans don't turn out at the Roughyeds ?'"
You'll be even more impressed that the official attendance at Saturday's NCL game between Egremont & Wath Brow was 1,483
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