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| Quote ="j.c"I thought the sl club voted for this not the rfl?'"
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| Quote ="Roy Haggerty"That's 206 extra people at every game on average - on top of any increase they may have received from their existing marketing efforts. I'd love to think that every club in SL is going to add 206 extra people. I think the chance of it happening are slightly lower than my chances of beating Usain Bolt in the Olympic 100m final this summer. '"
Let's say the league average attendance is 9k (it's around that I'm sure, if it's higher then this percentage decreases) an average increase of 207 extra people per game is a 2.3% increase across the board. I suppose that's a challenging target but it's hardly like what you're suggesting is it?
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| Quote ="Keith Swiftcorn"It's a crap sponsorship deal la and you know it is, so quit attempting to polish a turd.'"
No. I don't know if it's a good or bad deal. How can you be so sure it is either? What I'm saying is that it's interesting to me. I like the idea because it's innovative and of course it may not work. Just taking the Betfair deal has its financial benefits but again I like the sound that was coming out of the sport about image and integrity because it's what we do. So there are a few things that are aligned enough for me to say "Why not?"
I'm open to feedback on why that isn't reasonable because it feels like a well thought out point of view to me.
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| Sky get free advertising too, so long term I think sky are more than likely to look on League very favourably in future years IMO.
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| Quote ="Roy Haggerty"I think a few people are missing the point. Nobody is saying it is a bad idea to have trucks with SL teams/logos/adverts on them. It's a great idea. Wonderful. More power to their elbow.
The issue is whether 200 trucks with a logo is worth £750,000, which is what the RFL apparently turned down from Betfair. If you'd told me that the whole fleet of 2000 trucks were going to rebrand, then I'd probably agree that there's a case to be made. But Stobart have got large TV exposure, national newspaper references and access to the 100,000 or so regular paying fans who watch games live, and the total cost to them is to repaint 200 trucks. That seems like a phenomenally good deal for them. But the purpose of sponsorship is that the sponsor gets the exposure by stumping up some decent readies which the sport in question can then spend. Here, we get nothing to spend, a really quite minimal amount of free advertising on 5% of Stobart's fleet of trucks, and bugger-all else.
Doing a bit of maths, and assuming that average entry charges are £20 (which might be a bit steep in places), then each club would on average need to attract an additional 2678 paying spectators to make up for the cash they lost by not taking up Betfair. That's 206 extra people at every game on average - on top of any increase they may have received from their existing marketing efforts. I'd love to think that every club in SL is going to add 206 extra people. I think the chance of it happening are slightly lower than my chances of beating Usain Bolt in the Olympic 100m final this summer.
Which means that we have taken a net loss on this deal.
The only possible saving grace to this would be if the RFL started announcing additional sponsors contributing cold hard cash in addition to the Stobart trucks. If they do that, and Betfair were unwilling to let them, then the balance sheet starts to level up. But at present, this remains at best a fantastically optimistic shot-in-the-dark for the RFL, and at worse the sort of shafting by the Stobart negotiators which will have them wetting themselves in transport cafe's up and down the land.'"
We've basically taken out an incredibly cheap advertising deal worth more in value than the money we could have gotten from Betfair. I don't think it's a bad deal at all, I think it's what the game has needed for a long time - greater exposure.
How much does it cost to sign up a truck? £1-2.5k surely at the least. These are big wagons as well. Could be costing up to £0.25m to physically produce the graphics. Then there's the value of paying for 100 adverts all year round, which I can't imagine being cheap at all.
Then there's the fact that we've not locked out our sponsorship, so we're open to take money from other places still. We've not finished signing people up, there's still money to come in.
Then there's the space on the wagons to advertise commercial partners, which we are doing so far with Heinz Big Soup, which will then push up the value of them deals as we're increasing their exposure.
Then there's the fact that Sky is advertised, which will hopefully lead to an increase in viewing figures, which in turn will reflect on our next television deal (which will get us far more money for the game than our title sponsorship has ever gotten us). Even if they don't go up too much, we've still added value to the Sky deal by advertising them.
There is one hell of a lot of potential in this deal. It is potentially worth far more than any of our other offers, and could see us bringing in more money through associate sponsors on the side AS WELL AS increase our own exposure. What's wrong with that?
This is a new relationship with a new corporate partner. Play our cards right and we could grow to many more of their livery as well as hard cash, which in turn could see us bring in more from other associate sponsors, etc. If we keep sticking our hands out wanting straight up cash in reutn for a lock out of all sponsor deals, we'll end up in the same position over and over again... and then moaning about it!
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| The options available to exploit this deal are as big as the imagination of the people tasked with exploiting it
No imagination, and it is a bad deal, lots of imagination and its potential is huge
This also applies to the individual clubs, if I was the CEO of a SL club, I would have already been speaking to Stobarts to come up with marketing ideas to that can benifit both companies via the use of these trucks
As I posted earlier, would the clubs all have spent the Betfair 60 K on marketing?
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| Quote ="Starbug"The options available to exploit this deal are as big as the imagination of the people tasked with exploiting it
No imagination, and it is a bad deal, lots of imagination and its potential is huge
This also applies to the individual clubs, if I was the CEO of a SL club, I would have already been speaking to Stobarts to come up with marketing ideas to that can benifit both companies via the use of these trucks
As I posted earlier, would the clubs all have spent the Betfair 60 K on marketing?'"
Would they hell. And they could still make this money back on this deal.
Do the individual clubs have their own trucks? Or are they just dedicated to them and the RFL pick a player from that club, etc.
Could Hull have P&O Ferries on the side for example, and Rovers Neil Hudgell Solictors, etc.
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| Quote ="Wellsy13"Would they hell. And they could still make this money back on this deal.
Do the individual clubs have their own trucks? Or are they just dedicated to them and the RFL pick a player from that club, etc.
Could Hull have P&O Ferries on the side for example, and Rovers Neil Hudgell Solictors, etc.'"
The only other brands, other than Super League and Stobarts, are Sky Sports and Heinz Big Soup.
All clubs have 6 Individual trailers dedicated to them. Hull FC will have Danny Tickle on all of theirs.
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| The convoy of Stobart Superleague trucks is setting out from Stobart Ports in Widnes at 11.00am on Wednesday, going on to the M62 and then the M60 to Old Trafford.
Get down and get truckin.
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| Quote ="SaintsFan"The convoy of Stobart Superleague trucks is setting out from Stobart Ports in Widnes at 11.00am on Wednesday, going on to the M62 and then the M60 to Old Trafford.
Get down and get truckin.
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I have seen a Stobarts SL truck in *******
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| One other thing to bear in mind as well is that Stobarts have a fan club with over 15000 paying members.
These truck spotters are likely to be orgasmic at the thought of spotting these specially decked out Stobart trucks.
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Pics of the trucks setting up at OT. They looked pretty damn good even if I am a believist
yfrog.com/h7fewbifj
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Pics of the trucks setting up at OT. They looked pretty damn good even if I am a believist
yfrog.com/h7fewbifj
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| They look cool [url=http://yfrog.com/nzgb4hfsjall lined up ready to go[/url and [url=http://yfrog.com/h3a82rvjfrom the air[/url too!
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| I would have liked to see the club names or the club badge on the side of the lorries. Just to make it a bit more obvious to the common man who they actually are
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| Quote ="MOT"I would have liked to see the club names or the club badge on the side of the lorries. Just to make it a bit more obvious to the common man who they actually are'"
There is the club's web address on the back of each lorry, stuck right in the middle. That will probably mean more than a badge!
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| Quote ="SaintsFan"There is the club's web address on the back of each lorry, stuck right in the middle. That will probably mean more than a badge!'"
Thats fair enough then. I was going on the pictures posted on here and did not see the back of the lorries. Sounds good then and pretty impressive really
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| Quote ="SaintsFan"There is the club's web address on the back of each lorry, stuck right in the middle. That will probably mean more than a badge!'"
Very good. Would be good to see a picture of that so we know what the full package is.
Are club's sponsors on the trucks also? That could make potential sponsorship income from companies greater to each individual club as they're getting even more exposure.
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| Quote ="Wellsy13"Very good. Would be good to see a picture of that so we know what the full package is.'"
Stobart were tweeting various photos earlier today. Some of them have been posted on here but there were other ones too. I didn't realise that there is 'stobartsuperleague.co.uk' on the top of each trailer in massive lettering so that passing helicopters can see the trucks as well! But on the back is the player pic, the club's web address, the Sky logo and a message that sport should be about supporting your local team. So both sides, the back and the top are all covered. And they are massive!
Quote Are club's sponsors on the trucks also? '"
No. The generic truck shows some club sponsors. Saints and Leeds, for example, have their shirt sponsors on full display but that is because their players are standing in the middle of the line, facing each other so the shirt sponsors are in full view. But only Heinz and Sky feature as obvious adverts.
[url=https://twitter.com/#!/mikej347/status/164679080149651456/photo/1I came across this pic as well[/url which is a good shot.
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| Quote ="SaintsFan"They look cool [url=http://yfrog.com/nzgb4hfsjall lined up ready to go[/url and [url=http://yfrog.com/h3a82rvjfrom the air[/url too!'"
There's good vid on the site that can't be named, search for WidnesMoorfieldARLFC's channel and it's the 1st vid looks pretty awesome.
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| Quote ="Wellsy13"Very good. Would be good to see a picture of that so we know what the full package is.
Are club's sponsors on the trucks also? That could make potential sponsorship income from companies greater to each individual club as they're getting even more exposure.'"
No but as with SL if you can get them on your website then the petvueved added traffic there could increase SL / clubs sponsorship potential.
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| Breaking news from the Bulls' Fans Forum earlier this evening. In response to one of my written-in questions, this is a summary from our chairman:
Nine clubs turned up at the RFL meeting that approved the Stobart sponsorship deal for the RFL. A further one attended by telephone. The French and three other (unnamed) clubs did not. Those clubs voted in favour by majority. Bulls voted in favour. So did Pies, Wire and Stains. To buy that amount of national advertising - and it was the national advertising that made it a "no-brainer" (his words) would cost £2m p.a. And it gives club sponsors like Greenwoods national advertising - Greenwoods are dead chuffed at the Bulls delivering, and are likely to do more with us as a result.
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| Sounds like a decent deal in the current economic climate. At least it's not a tin pot sponsor like Probiz, the Lorries look good, lots of people will take notice when they drive past, decent.
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| Quote ="SaintsFan"They look cool [url=http://yfrog.com/nzgb4hfsjall lined up ready to go[/url and [url=http://yfrog.com/h3a82rvjfrom the air[/url too!'"
They got every player to dive with ball under arm so it would cover up the club sponsor and this deal was supposed to have a spin off by giving apparel sponsors free advertising?
And yeah stobart have 2,200 truck but logos aren't on the trucks they are on the fridge trailers that spend most of their working life parked up in some yard.
And most of the adverts look more like they are advertising skysports not Rugbyleague.Blah waste of time.
p.s those pictures are so lame how about for the Cas one a heading reads "WHEN THE TIGERS ARE AROUND IT'S BEST TO PLAY DEAD" with a picture of Sam Tomkins lying on the floor unconscious with Cas players stood over him.
They could invite Sam to the photshoot and just knock himout!
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| Quote ="mrpurfect"how about for the Cas one a heading reads "WHEN THE TIGERS ARE AROUND IT'S BEST TO PLAY DEAD" with a picture of Sam Tomkins lying on the floor unconscious with Cas players stood over him.
They could invite Sam to the photshoot and just knock himout!'"
How about no.
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