Your mate Dalton brought the subject up , not me , the Leigh corporate room was very public , and he was speaking into a microphone at the time

No leigh director commented on the Licences decision in 2008

Alan rowley , the Leigh CEO did give his opinion on it yes , one I agree with , so if speaking the truth is a problem , fair enough , he has been proved right

I have nothing against Widnes and congratulate and welcome to the SL.

Whilst a few/many (?) of us want or always preferred promotion and relegation we don't have that at the moment. With the franchise system teams and fans want to feel that the strongest applicants get a place at the top table. It is the subject of intense debate as to whether the current 14 at the top table are indeed the strongest applicants. As Kear said, how can you say the 14 strongest applicants will be determined when one club is elevated by decision in March and the others in July?

The way the RFL have designed it leaves it open to debate and in some cases bitterness due to perceptions.

Widnes have a strong application and I believe (in my perception) stronger than a fair few of the current SL clubs. So yes Widnes deserve their success.

I have voted 'no' purely because I'm fed up with all these 'Should Widnes be in SL' type threads that have popped up in the past few months.

Nobody cares what you think

I'm just surprised the OP didn't wait until we lost again before posting... As that is the norm is it not?

Next monday then

You must do or you wouldn't have kept bombarding my inbox with private messages a few weeks ago. 8 wasn't it?

I deleted them without opening them so I have no idea what you said.

That's why I said a minority mate. There are a fair few I have a lot of respect for, and I can certainly understand the frustrations of championship fans as I've felt the frustrations myself.

Look where it got him.

It's funny that this is the first you or anyone else has mentioned this Steve O Connor reaction. You didn't even mention it at the time when we were all discussing the contrasting reactions to the decision.

It would seem you are once again confused

It got him in exactly the same place he was already , it hasn't affected anything , telling the truth rarely does , are you suggesting people should only say what they think others want to hear ? how very political

It has been mentioned many times , and was actually mentioned at the time , the words used were very similar to the ones used by Alan Rowley , but as we both suggested , all irrelivant ,

It's the first I've heard of it. It would not put it past me for you to be making it up and even if you're not my point still stands.

I am saying there is a right attitude to take and a wrong one. Sometimes you have to be diplomatic in life. You should know that by now, you can't always say what you feel and sometimes venting your frustrations gets you nowhere. It's okay for us, we're merely the fans, we're not running the club and we don't have to deal with the RFL.

You are suggesting they are corrupt and beyond criticism

No and only a complete idiot would come to that conclusion based on the few sentences I wrote.

Ok so remove all the politically correct bull sheite from your previous post and tell us what you really mean in plain language

Oh you're a political correctness gone mad type. How wonderful.

In your job at work, do you always say exactly what you think of your boss to their face? Or the customers? Or the management? They are not above criticism, and there is a correct way of broaching difficult subjects without shooting yourself in the foot. There is a time and a place to stand your ground in defiance and to be diplomatic. If ranting and raving achieves nothing, and you have a stake in things, then there is absolutely no point to it and it could be to your detriment. Leigh's directors did rant and rave, but they didn't set up a decent youth system, they didn't do enough to improve their crowds to match ours, they didn't do enough to get a team on the pitch good enough to qualify to put a good bid in, and that's why you are where you are.

O Connor simply moved on and did what was necessary to achieve Widnes' main goal, there would have been no point doing otherwise. You have to work with the RFL whether you agree with the system or not. If you have ambitions you do.

Nobody ranted and raved , they stated the truth , as history now tells us and we all knew at the time , that truth was correct , nobody , not even Mr Lewis and Mr wood should be afraid of being told the truth by anybody , and nobody should be afraid of telling them the truth

Alan Rowley is not a director of Leigh Centurions , pedantic point yes , but lets get things correct

Yes he did and well done to him for doing it

So your point being what exactly ?

Do Widnes ' deserve ' a place in SL ?

NO

Does anybody ' deserve ' a place in SL ?

NO

The clubs in SL are the clubs picked by the RFL to be in SL , it is their decision , their decision only , it has nothing to do with ' deserving ' anything , it is business , plain and simple

They came across as bitter individuals and whether what they said was the absolute honest truth or just a thin strain of moans doesn't change the fact that Leigh came out of it looking rather poor.



What? You're saying teams who have gotten to the top league by ensuring they have a strong club do not deserve to be there? Leeds deserve to be there, they are one of the strongest teams in the country and are necessary for the health of the game, as are wigan and saints. Huddersfield deserve to be there, because they've similarly worked hard to strengthen their club in recent years. Widnes deserve to be there, because we've worked hard to ensure that we can get there and remain there. "Deserve" in this case is a relative term and your only qualification appears to be, "how should they chosen?" and the only answer is "by winning a grand final and working within P & R" but that's not the current system is it? And if it were, guess what? Leigh would still be in the championship and still very lucky to be in there!

Get thee to championship 1.

Only in the eyes of those afraid of the truth

Aliens? The Illuminati?

BTW Fox Mulder beware of wearing that tin foil hat of yours in a thunderstorm.

I can not believe another thread on Widnes.It is getting boring, and the ones who voted against Widnes just deal with it as wont change.Seems Wakefield fans are upset and bitter we are in Superleague.Anyway Wakey went into administration so end of topic in my eyes.

Sounds good to me , I only got involved when somebody brought Leigh into the debate , it's nowt do wi me

As a Wakefield supporter I find this the topic of this thread an embarrassment.

Widnes deserve to go up because thay fulfilled the criteria asked of Championship Clubs who had aspirations to enter Super League. Whether you agree or disagree with franchising ( I disagree) is irrelevant, Widnes did what was asked.
Good luck to them, as for Wakefield, if we remain in Super League - great, if we don't then whilst I'll be disappointed It won't stop me going to watch (home & away)

Yes they do.

So what about Crusaders then?