True, but he is part of the All Party Rugby League Group, and it would appear Richard Lewis had a meeting with this group.

It's not just this incident. It's all of them from day one.

Do you have a Phd in vagueness?



It's only a difficult question if you don't know the answer.

So you are suggesting that people in Lancashire and Yorkshire have some form of ' mind control ' capabilities ?

If it's all down to losing Samuels' cash a question must be asked:
With the fans in Bridgend, the academy side based in Bridgend, the national side based in Bridgend and the owners of the ground in Bridgend wanting matches to be played there - what is to stop Crusaders returning to Bridgend?
Sure, they may not be able to afford the Ozzie ringers, but those players havn't won them games so big wow.
play this year out, see what the deal is next year. The RFL could easily insist on the side re-locating to South Wales. You would expect the club to succeed based on the gates they get, Quins manage on less than that and they don't have a big budget to keep them afloat.

If you are going to pretend that the way the game has operated for so long is irrelevant then that's your outlook.

Quote ="chubbs1981"Um no. How does the rfl wants to see a superleague team in Wrexham. And the mp saying it is his belief crusaders will move, a confirmation? It's some unheard of mp trying to score points before an election by Reading between the lines and jumping to conclusions it is in no way reliable it is a personal oppinion based on assumption.'" Although Mr Twigg didn't exactly say it, the way I interpreted the situation was that the RFL would support the Crusaders potential move to Wrexham - which is what has been made public anyway in this report: www.runcornandwidnesweeklynews.c ... -25251772/ I very much doubt that the RFL would actually prefer the Crusaders to move to Wrexham after all of the work that has been done in South Wales.

Quote ="chubbs1981"Um no. How does the rfl wants to see a superleague team in Wrexham. And the mp saying it is his belief crusaders will move, a confirmation? It's some unheard of mp trying to score points before an election by Reading between the lines and jumping to conclusions it is in no way reliable it is a personal oppinion based on assumption.'" Although Mr Twigg didn't exactly say it, the way I interpreted the situation was that the RFL would support the Crusaders potential move to Wrexham - which is what has been made public anyway in this report: www.runcornandwidnesweeklynews.c ... -25251772/ I very much doubt that the RFL would actually prefer the Crusaders to move to Wrexham after all of the work that has been done in South Wales.

So who exactly are you ' blaming ' for the situation that the Crusaders find themselves in ?

It's all down to the mind bullets being fired from Northern mining towns, obviously.

Otherwise the good citizens of Bridgend would have flocked (no pun intended) to watch them.

In this case, the blame is with the RFL who have clearly rushed it, not given them a couple more years to develop at a lower level, not made LS give some form of bond or commitment and allowed him to do a runner. (if indeed, that is what has happened). Then plonk them in Wrexham and hope for a miracle.

But it would be exactly the same reaction from some, no matter what the circumstances.

I have always felt that if they were going to expand the game that it should of been in areas like wrexham, growing the game in non rl areas that are around 40 mins or an hour away from strongholds would surely be more likely to succeed with greater away support from opposistion clubs along with greater ease for the fans to travel to away games its either this way for expansion or as said previously more time in the championships to establish themselves

All of which is what most of us ' flatcappers ' suggested would happen

The silence on here from certain posters is deafening

I say this with no pleasure , I like most of the other proffessors of doom would have preffered to have been wrong , unlike many on here we had met chatted to , shared a beer with and seen the truth of the set up at bridgend

What happens now is the important thing

As for any future potential clubs , then yes the issue of a ' bond ' is exactly what I suggested about the Paris reports , far too many times we have seen promises dissapear , If clubs already with reasonabley large support bases are struggling how the hell can anybody expect a new club to get to a break even inside 20 years is total stupidity , unfortunatley our desperation to expand the sport to draw in more TV and corporate monies means we keep making stupid decisions

That's a flatcapper's definition of Project/Scope Creep



Only kidding.

Very much what Barny and myself have suggested in the past

Spreading rather than ' sateliting '

I'd have been looking at larger RU clubs or smaller football clubs , with the focus on a sustainable Championship club rather than a SL club

Funded by the RFL guaranteed for 6 years , but all out in the open , I and many other Championship fans could happily live with that as long as we saw the RFL coming up with some serious help to the existing clubs as well

So, next Franchise the RFL set up in Leicester with the Tigers, they earmark a large chunk of the extra SKY money to go to Tigers RL to keep them running. This, you say, would be a good thing?

If you really wany it suceed then I'd say yes, without hesitation.

Take it out of the Aussie pensioners pot and into a long term sustainable business model.

Thats if Sl members really want to expand of course, and are not just protecting themselves.

The physcic powers of we flatcappers at Leigh,Widnes,Halifax and Featherstone have their limits.Although we can cause failure in south wales merely by wishing it we cannot yet wish our favourite teams into SL.We are working on it though.Here's a picture of famous hollywood flatcapper George Clooney helping us oust Celtic Crusaders. www.baltimoremagazine.net/maxspa ... -goats.jpg

The physcic powers of we flatcappers at Leigh,Widnes,Halifax and Featherstone have their limits.Although we can cause failure in south wales merely by wishing it we cannot yet wish our favourite teams into SL.We are working on it though.Here's a picture of famous hollywood flatcapper George Clooney helping us oust Celtic Crusaders. www.baltimoremagazine.net/maxspa ... -goats.jpg

I suppose I can let the voodoo sheep out of the garden now. Minus the pins of course.

unlike us expansionists who are upset when any RL club fails, im sure there are those on the other side of the fence who are happy with this outcome.

its why we cant let them hijack the sport.

i love the way the RFL isnt afraid of trying to grow the game

The only people happy will be those whose club gets Crusaders' spot in SL and then only some of them, as some will want success in Wales.

For what it's worth I'm more pleased about the Championship 1 club likely in South Wales, as that is sustainable. I am upset for the Crusaders fans but can't say I feel strongly either way as it was inevitable the Crusaders would fail when they went into SL, I'm only upset we lost a good Championship side for it

I haven't seen it but heard on another forum that the Sun claimed they'd be playing 9 games at Wrexham and 4 games in Newport next season, with a semi-pro side run by the owner of Port Talbot FC.

I've also heard that this semi-pro side is likely to be based out of either Blackwood or Pontypridd and will be have a player link up agreement with the Crusaders, and the U20s and U18s will play out of South Wales.

How much of this is true I can state for definite

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But you are not an epansionist, you dont even support it in your own country. Your a corkcapper and a wind up merchant with no interest in our game other than winding the good folk of this board up.

Noone's going to that upset at an inevitable occurence unless they happen to support the club, that doesn't mean they wanted it to fail. People are more likely to be annoyed at the atrocious decisions.

I suggest you prove your allegations that people have a secret agenda of not wanting the sport to expand, as it is a lie often repeated by trolls without any basis in the majority of cases