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| Quote ="hull2524"Last few years have been s.hite all round from the bottom up. Personally think there will be a few announcements over the coming weeks/ months . It does feel to me like a full restart for the club. Think it will be small steps and I don't think we will be in the top 6 next year. But expect us to be more competitive all round. Maybe get lucky in the CC and get a decent run. It's the hope that kills you'"
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| Quote ="bonaire"Its not just a squad of poor average players,its an ageing squad with several injury prone players and even the best backroom conditioning and physios wont be able to prevent them spending too much time sitting in the stands nursing injuries.
Can see this team being competitve for early season matches but not picking up many wins then falling off a cliff.'"
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| Quote ="RockNRolla"Not like you to be negative
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The best examples of injury prone players are Cator, Scott, Truman, Sutcliffe and Carlos?
All of whom have left and been replaced by players who, more often than not, are available for selection!
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| Quote ="Roam Ranger"That was something I was going to mention as well in my earlier post regarding things creating the toxicity, anger, hate etc and you and Chris71 have mentioned it: false promises. I don't know if we were at full cap or not and to be honest I'm not sure whether I find it more palatable that our owner lied to us or whether it would be better to believe that we so badly misspent the cap.
But whilst something like that is debatable, the bullish promises about being competitive and then serving up what we did just aren't up for debate. That's something he has been guilty of for a number of years. Fair enough, he's got pass sales to think of as you say and even generating enough interest for pay at the gate supporters to attend. But I think to repeatedly make such statements and then failing to deliver has added to the toxicity that is around.'"
The bit I've highlighted in bold you'd have to think its probably a bit of both. Looking at the squad build by Smith for 2024 can't seriously have been at full cap level, but if it genuinely has then the Cap Management has been scandalous. I'd think most likely we were operating below cap but maybe not by a lot all of which is an indication of why we were so poor and players on deals getting moved by Myler after his arrival.
AP had either been too trusting and handed over far too much control to Clark & Smith, taken his eye off the ball or just simply been dishonest or hiding the facts from the fans. I'd like to think and hope that it hasn't been the latter.
All I know is that there haven't just been a few changes taking place but almost a total root and branch overhaul of the club both on and off the field so surely the only way to go now from here on in is upwards.
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| Quote ="bonaire"Its not just a squad of poor average players,its an ageing squad with several injury prone players and even the best backroom conditioning and physios wont be able to prevent them spending too much time sitting in the stands nursing injuries.
Can see this team being competitve for early season matches but not picking up many wins then falling off a cliff.'"
Well at least YOU willl have something to celebrate.
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| Cas and Wakey confirmed as Grade A clubs.
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| Quote ="HU8HFC"Cas and Wakey confirmed as Grade A clubs.
What a sport.'"
Just becomes a bigger joke of a sport than it is and the IMG part less value if a club that finished one place above us yet has a poor ground that needs a massive refurb and a team promoted from the Championship can outscore any existing SL club on the grading.
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| Quote ="Chris71"Just becomes a bigger joke of a sport than it is and the IMG part less value if a club that finished one place above us yet has a poor ground that needs a massive refurb and a team promoted from the Championship can outscore any existing SL club on the grading.'"
Just shows the criteria is awful, get punished for having a good stadium, Goole get better catchment area points, penalised for two clubs in the city….the list goes on. Shambles.
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| Academy sides don’t come into the grading as it’s all based on Marketing KPI’s.
So don’t bother running an Academy (and therefore provide players for the future of the game), just get some LED advertising boards.
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| Quote ="RockNRolla"Not like you to be negative
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Cant believe anyone really believes this squad put together by Myler will provide entertainment or excitement for supporters.
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| Quote ="Hessle Roader"Well at least YOU willl have something to celebrate.'"
Like what?
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| Quote ="Dave K."Time for Pearson to move on, say thanks for those two or so years of success, saving us from Kath, getting us through covid years and hopefully getting new investment.'"
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| Quote ="Irregular Hoops"Academy sides don’t come into the grading as it’s all based on Marketing KPI’s.
So don’t bother running an Academy (and therefore provide players for the future of the game), just get some LED advertising boards.'"
Surely the academy part feeds in to on field performance? Wigan have the best academy in the country and is reflected in their success this year. I can see the positives in IMG in that it's actually made Cas and Wakey make improvements which are long overdue, but at the same time, disappointing that we're just going to end up with the exact same teams that were in the league in 2023 for 2025...without TV deals, attendances, being able to score bigger than 13th for performance, how do those outside the top flight make it into SL now?
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| Quote ="Cuddleclub"Just shows the criteria is awful, get punished for having a good stadium, Goole get better catchment area points, penalised for two clubs in the city….the list goes on. Shambles.'"
But Cas and Wakey got grade A despite losing catchment area points for being close to each other and Fev too?
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| Quote ="Steve0"Surely the academy part feeds in to on field performance? Wigan have the best academy in the country and is reflected in their success this year. I can see the positives in IMG in that it's actually made Cas and Wakey make improvements which are long overdue, but at the same time, disappointing that we're just going to end up with the exact same teams that were in the league in 2023 for 2025...without TV deals, attendances, being able to score bigger than 13th for performance, how do those outside the top flight make it into SL now?'"
I'd be interested to see what happens to Cas' revenue per game after the ground tweaks too. Like have they managed charge more for seats, are the corporate lounges busier, are sponsors queuing up for a spot on the big screen...if they haven't then this box ticking has been a nonsense.
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| Quote ="UllFC"I'd be interested to see what happens to Cas' revenue per game after the ground tweaks too. Like have they managed charge more for seats, are the corporate lounges busier, are sponsors queuing up for a spot on the big screen...if they haven't then this box ticking has been a nonsense.'"
Agree it'll be interesting to see, sounds like there's some ambition with the recent takeover by Martin Jepson, same with Wakey too, had an easy year being the big fish in a small pond, but will their crowds continue to hold up if they begin to struggle in SL again?
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| I’m not too fussed anyway about been downgraded. Scraping the provisional grade A licence was the worst thing to happen for the club, it literally gave AP the licence to throw the towel in for a season that’s likely done irreversible damage to the club long term. Maybe in future it’s for the best for both Adam and the club in general that we are kept on our toes. Also for perspective on the performance thing, Championship or not that Wakey team this season would have hammered us.
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| Quote ="DSJ1983"I’m not too fussed anyway about been downgraded. Scraping the provisional grade A licence was the worst thing to happen for the club, it literally gave AP the licence to throw the towel in for a season that’s likely done irreversible damage to the club long term. Maybe in future it’s for the best for both Adam and the club in general that we are kept on our toes. Also for perspective on the performance thing, Championship or not that Wakey team this season would have hammered us.'"
Agree, we also got lazy during the last franchising era circa 2009. Rule/Kath would tell us we were GradeA and all was good then sign Thorman to lead the team around
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| Grade B confirmed which I have no problem with but the fact Cas and Wakey have got a Grade A shows the grading system is a joke.
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| Have you seen the things we have been downgraded on?? How many people watch our games on TV (when we play at 3pm on a Saturday we compete against the full football calendar, so I feel that is unfair) and one of the others is the quality of the LED screens! Laughable
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Interesting we did OK on Finance.
People can complain about the criteria but I actually think it's humbling, and helpful, that we've dropped out of the top tier. The club's performance over he last 5 years has completely failed its supporters. An objective grading supporting this fact is powerful. Without significant on field improvements we will go backwards in several other measures - attendance, stadium utilisation, social media engagement. Personally I have very limited confidence in the current leadership that this will be delivered.
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Interesting we did OK on Finance.
People can complain about the criteria but I actually think it's humbling, and helpful, that we've dropped out of the top tier. The club's performance over he last 5 years has completely failed its supporters. An objective grading supporting this fact is powerful. Without significant on field improvements we will go backwards in several other measures - attendance, stadium utilisation, social media engagement. Personally I have very limited confidence in the current leadership that this will be delivered.
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| Quote ="Irregs#16"Have you seen the things we have been downgraded on?? How many people watch our games on TV (when we play at 3pm on a Saturday we compete against the full football calendar, so I feel that is unfair) and one of the others is the quality of the LED screens! Laughable'"
The deduction for points of the big screens is just an embarrassment. As the email says, we're the only club who have. 2 screens never mind 1, and we've been punished because by the sounds of it they're actually too big (to get the desired pixel pitch).
B is what the club deserve for the on field performance (granted caused by off field decisions) over the last few years, but some of the downgradings for things like our screens or TV viewing figures are just ridiculous.
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| Quote ="Irregs#16"Have you seen the things we have been downgraded on?? How many people watch our games on TV (when we play at 3pm on a Saturday we compete against the full football calendar, so I feel that is unfair) and one of the others is the quality of the LED screens! Laughable'"
Nothing for youth development either, so the usual clubs will just sack it off with no consequences. Imagine being punished for TV viewing figures, the sooner IMG are gone the better for our game.
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| Quote ="Yippee try yay"Nothing for youth development either, so the usual clubs will just sack it off with no consequences. Imagine being punished for TV viewing figures, the sooner IMG are gone the better for our club.'"
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| Quote ="happyjack"Edited for accuracy.'"
So you think the grading criteria will work? You don't have to invest in your youth setup to help provide a bigger player pool in the country but as long as you have a screen with a certain amount of pixels your doing alright? Maybe we should change our games to 9am on a Sunday morning as there's no football on at that time.
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