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| Quote ="Sheldon"No no no!!
Your allowed 5 overseas players!!! Everyone else has to have dispensation!'"
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| Quote ="Old_Faithful_IAKW"There's a difference between caring more about your team and 'not giving a fig about the national team'. [uATEOTD for our sport to grow we need a strong England RL team[/u.'"
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| Quote ="j.c"you think you'll get grief for bringing willie mason over ?.
why ?.the guys a super star in RL,he'll put bums on seat,who gives a fig what people think when players like this come over.'"
exactly. if they were using this method to bring over an average journeyman to take the place of a young british player then i would have a problem, but this is mason, he will be box office for our game. besides it will be nice to see him add some spice to the derby match when radford goes after him.
the danger is this might open the floodgates for teams to bring over lesser players
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| Quote ="the artist"exactly. if they were using this method to bring over an average journeyman to take the place of a young british player then i would have a problem, but this is mason, he will be box office for our game. besides it will be nice to see him add some spice to the derby match when radford goes after him.
the danger is this might open the floodgates for teams to bring over lesser players'"
They are using it to bring over journey men. It should be Mason or Galea, Lovegrove, Vella, Newton, Clinton. Not Mason and Galea, Lovegrove, Vella Newton and Clinton. By allowing Mason off the quota, it allows them to keep the ones who are on quota.
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| Quote ="Sheldon"No no no!!
Your allowed 5 overseas players!!! Everyone else has to have dispensation!'"
So does Mason getting a different passport get him dispensation? And if not then what was the advantage of him getting one?
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| possibly more a visa issue than anything to do with the quota?
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| Quote ="JB Down Under"possibly more a visa issue than anything to do with the quota?'"
That's what I thought it was for.
Quote ="inside_man"Your allowed 5 quota players, and your allowed 5 non-fed trained players.
When all of the exemptions are out of the way, it will go down to just 5 non-fed trained players, that's the aim'"
No, please grasp this quickly to save me having to write it again. You're allowed a total of 5 overseas players consisting of quota players/non-fed players. No more. That is the limit. Otherwise, why do you think people are doing so much whinging over Hull KR's amount of overseas players?
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| While I am pleased that my club has signed such a high profile marque signing its also tinged with a bit of disappointment with us going down an exemption route. I have always believed that your status should be linked to WHERE you played your first professional game.
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| Quote ="rover49"While I am pleased that my club has signed such a high profile marque signing its also tinged with a bit of disappointment with us going down an exemption route. I have always believed that your status should be linked to WHERE you played your first professional game.'"
But that doesn't necessarily always work. Look at Andy Henderson - born in Torquay, Scottish heritage but started his career in Australia so counts as non-federation or what have you.
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| And everybody is basing this thread on the reporting of The Hull Daily Wail a paper whos journoes get their stories of the internet and the bloke down the pub who swears he is Elvis, get a grip boys n girls there are more facts in the Beano
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| Quote ="Fully"But that doesn't necessarily always work. Look at Andy Henderson - born in Torquay, Scottish heritage but started his career in Australia so counts as non-federation or what have you.'"
I think Gareth Widdop would also count on the quota under those rules, if he ever decides to come back over to the UK.
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| Quote ="Nozzy"I think Gareth Widdop would also count on the quota under those rules, if he ever decides to come back over to the UK.'"
Not sure considering he started his career at Halifax. Might be able to get an exemption through having a British passport - I presume he still has one?
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| Quote ="Old_Faithful_IAKW"There's a difference between caring more about your team and 'not giving a fig about the national team'. ATEOTD for our sport to grow we need a strong England RL team.'"
Agreed the English football premier league is struggling due to a woefull international side in disarray,hang on a minute
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| Quote ="kitche"Agreed the English football premier league is struggling due to a woefull international side in disarray,hang on a minute
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Are you suggesting that the Premier League and Super League are in similar states? One is massively popular across the entire country with several teams who regularly get over 40,000 crowds and massive TV deals.
One is popular across the M62 with only 4 teams who can average over 10,000, several teams in financial disarray with little hope for improvement and an average TV deal.
The Premier League can quite easily sustain itself with a poor national side. Super League needs a national side to spread exposure of the sport across the country and increase both crowds and TV deals.
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| Quote ="kitche"Agreed the English football premier league is struggling due to a woefull international side in disarray,hang on a minute
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thats probably exactly the way hudge sees it too!!!!
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| Is it just me if these players go and get Tongan or whatever passports I would love to see the RLF and RLIF bring in a rule they must play for those Countries
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| Quote ="BigRob"Are you suggesting that the Premier League and Super League are in similar states? One is massively popular across the entire country with several teams who regularly get over 40,000 crowds and massive TV deals.
One is popular across the M62 with only 4 teams who can average over 10,000, several teams in financial disarray with little hope for improvement and an average TV deal.
The Premier League can quite easily sustain itself with a poor national side. Super League needs a national side to spread exposure of the sport across the country and increase both crowds and TV deals.'"
Sorry I do not share your enthusiasm over the international game,I am not in the least bit patriotic( political reasons but do not wish to discuss on this forum )
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| Quote ="kitche"Sorry I do not share your enthusiasm over the international game,I am not in the least bit patriotic( political reasons but do not wish to discuss on this forum )'"
fine forget the international game. Hull KR are currently removing the opportunity for young British RL players to get the schooling they need to make a career out of the game. They are failling to offer the opportunities that befit an SL club. They are failling in their role as part of the top tier of RL pyramid.
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| I think HKR should be allowed to sign another 3 overseas players, then they can play a non british side in superleague week in week out.
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| Quote ="Judder Man"I think HKR should be allowed to sign another 3 overseas players, then they can play a non british side in superleague week in week out.'"
Mason's already said in the Aus press that the Tongan passport is to enable a further overseas signing for Hull KR, so that would be 11
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| still well short of the 16 overseas players used by hull fc in one season.
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| Lets make it simple
If you are not born within the UK, then you are classed as an overseas player. Each team can have 5 of these players
We have a 'live' salary cap. All players within the squad need to be paid within this 'live' salary cap. All teams must stick to this salary cap and not use overseas accounts, new houses, new cars, wife working at the club shop, wife working anywhere in the club, kids private schooling paid or any other blatant or subtle breaking of this cap. If this cap is broken in anyway it is a clear minimum 16 point deduction.
If you are sent off for indiscipline. A set tariff with regards to the offence is in place. No appealling over this tariff is allowed and the punishment is to be adhered to.
If you play an unregistered player. Either points deduction or thrown out of the cup competition. No appeal
If referee underpeforms constantly, then errrrrrrrr they are simply allowed to continue??
Until red hall gets a grip on these issues and probably several others, our wonderful game will be looked at in bemusement by both supporters and by outsiders!
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| It would seem I was wrong in my original post and this does allow Mason to be completely exempt from the overseas allowance, so I apologise. However, I find it disgraceful if so.
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| Quote ="looking in"still well short of the 16 overseas players used by hull fc in one season.'"
Ha ha,forgot about that PS at least we bought ours
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| Quote ="BigRob"Are you suggesting that the Premier League and Super League are in similar states? One is massively popular across the entire country with several teams who regularly get over 40,000 crowds and massive TV deals.
One is popular across the M62 with only 4 teams who can average over 10,000, several teams in financial disarray with little hope for improvement and an average TV deal.
The Premier League can quite easily sustain itself with a poor national side. Super League needs a national side to spread exposure of the sport across the country and increase both crowds and TV deals.'"
No we don't. It's that sort of mentality that's traditionally hurt Rugby League. What we need is a strong grass roots and domestic competition. As well as completely new people running the game.
That League exists, let alone has popularity, is amazing. Considering the complete lack of marketing and inept running of the game.
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