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So that's it then. The insular parochial flatcappers have won! There is NO future for RL in Wales.
'" The RL loving public of South Wales could have easily defeated the flatcappers by turning up in sufficient numbers as paying customers on match days.You defeated yourselves,stop whingeing and get over it. |
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So that's it then. The insular parochial flatcappers have won! There is NO future for RL in Wales.
With the exceptions of Dragons and Quins, the triumphant flatcappers can now comfortably walk to all away fixtures, without distrurbing the ferrets in their trousers, release their homing pigeons and walk home again before their clogs start to spark.'"
Nobody has "won". The only people to blame for this mess are the money men at Crusaders, the RFL and the people of Bridgend. Nothing to do with anyone else. |
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| Quote ="GSF"The RL loving public of South Wales could have easily defeated the flatcappers by turning up in sufficient numbers as paying customers on match days.You defeated yourselves,stop whingeing and get over it.'"
He is spot on.
If the public had wanted a Welsh RL side they would have supported one.
They didn't....so they didnt.
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Quote ="Roy Haggerty"Again, as on the other thread, you are misreading what I am writing. I'm not in favour of inventing teams and plonking them down willy nilly. I do, on the other hand think that the idea that a pro side can be built up from amateur beginnings is something that is often cited as an alternative to franchise/licensing expansion, and yet has never provided us with a new pro side. I also - again - did not say that anyoen who was lukewarm or negative about Crusaders opposed expansion full stop. I said "Opponents of expansion should be honest...". If you really think there are no opponents of expansion in our sport then you need to pull your head out of the sand, because there are. '"
When you say "opponents of expansion", who are you talking to though? Because the way you have structured your posts, it is appearing that anyone who opposes the idea of expansion through the way Celtic have is an opponent of expansion, hence why you said: "saying that we shouldn't try to expand through the likes fo Celtic and Catalans is essentially saying we shouldn't try to expand, full stop" which is blatently not true. Just because someone has a different opinion of how expansion should happen doesn't make them an opponent of expansion.
There certainly are opponents of expansion out there, but where are they on this thread? Who on this thread has said "we shouldn't expand at all"? If these are the kind of people you are talking about, then why waste you're time when no-one on here is arguing that?
Quote ="Roy Haggerty"There are also those who pay lip-service to the idea that the game should expand, but then cover that with so many caveats about "what needs to be done first", that they're clearly not in the business of actually alowing it to happen in the lifetime of anyone who reads this mesageboard. And there's a range of other opinions. It is not me, who is grouping these into two monolithic camps of expansionists and flat-cappers. You need to read what I write, and not what you think I write, or there is no point to this.'"
If some of the things suggested had been done, they we might see them reap rewards. As it is, what has actually been done to promote clubs to move up the leagues from amateur to semi-pro to SL? There are huge boundaries between the amateur game and semi-pro game. These are huge issues, and whilst they are here, the bottom-up system will never get a good crack of the whip.
Meanwhile we have seen what dropping teams in from virtual no foundations has led to time and time again.
Quote ="Roy Haggerty"For example, I did not say that Catalans and Celtic were identical cases. Yet you devote a paragraph to suggesting that I did. There are similarities. There are differences. But the point stands - both were effectively created solely to occupy a SL place which would be awarded to them on the basis of their potential. Neither was a case of organic growth of the sort usually advocated by those who oppose any such venture. '"
You grouped Celtic and Catalans together as if they were the same sort of case. "Saying we shouldn't expand through the likes of Catalans and Celtic", what if people agree with one but not the other? Catalans is a hugely different situation to Celtic. There is no point in evening mentioning one with the other. Apart from both being "franchises" so to speak (although in completely different settings) and being outside of the M62, I fail to see many other similarities.
Quote ="Roy Haggerty"There are people on these boards who were absolutely implacable in their opposition to Catalans, and who said that as an artificial construct it would never work, and as France didn't have the players it would never work, and as they were being given a place in SL without winning promotion, then it was unfair/bogus/doomed to failure/precisely how expansion shouldn't happen, etc etc etc. Some of those same people are now pontificating that Les Cats was exactly the sort of model they had in mind because of history/playing resources/heritage blah blah blah, while saying the same thing about Crusaders as they did about Cats. '"
Who, exactly? Who has said one and now gone back on it? And since Celtic is a completely different scenario to Catalans, why do these matter? I'm not saying there won't be people that have gone back on it, but I'd think there are very few that are that pessimistic and stubborn that they'd go back on it in such a hypocritical way. And I haven't seen any on this thread for you to address.
Celtic are more in a Gateshead/PSG model than a Catalans model. This is why people are opposed to them. As these clubs were rushed and died, I don't blame many for being sceptical about Celtic.
Quote ="Roy Haggerty"I have no doubt that had Crusaders been an outstanding success then those people would have been telling us how they were a based on a thriving amateur Welsh conference, and "rugby" heritage, and how coming through the lower leagues helped prepare them etc etc. '"
You are assuming things now.
Quote ="Roy Haggerty"By the way, I'm not sure that you can decry anything that anyone else says as ridiculous if you cite as evidence of successful bottom up "expansion" : Bradford, Castleford, Huddersfield, Hull FC, Hull KR, Leeds, Salford, Wakefield, Warrington and Wigan. I don't think you meant that, but then maybe that's how important it is to read carefully what people say.'"
The word "expansion" was never used. The myth that a bottom-up method has never worked in RL is what I said. If bottom-up doesn't work, and top-down doesn't work, how have we got clubs in the SL? Clearly a system has to have worked somewhere for these clubs to be around for as long as they have been and for them to prosper.
Quote ="Roy Haggerty"By the way, if you're still in any doubt about whether Catalans were viewed in the same way as Crusaders by similar people, I've dredged up a thread for you :
viewtopic.php? ... sc&start=0
That's only one which I found after about 5 minutes looking. The site doesn't seem to have much before then, and I didn't want to spend too much of my Saturday digging it all out, but anyone who was knocking around the boards in 2003-2006 can recall how Catalans would never work because of all the reasons which are currently being cited as to why Crusaders could never work. '"
You have chosen a board where a few Widnes fans, obviously bitter at the time of their relegation, are having a pop as an example. My point wasn't that they weren't there (because there are obviously going to be pessimistic and insular people in the world, I have never argued there hasn't been). My point was were are they on this thread? Bowes got abused and called a flat-earther by Johnoco for having the audacity to oppose the way Celtic entered the league. Many others have been abused in the same way. I think it's safe to say it comes just as much the other way for suggesting it won't work.
It's not always about who or where is being expanded that creates ill-feeling in people, but how.
Quote ="Roy Haggerty"Never assume that just because you are consistent, that other people cannot be hypocritical.'"
And I never have. I am the first to tell everyone how dally is every time he logs on to a computer.
I am as sick as you appear to be about people decrying expansion. But decrying Celtic isn't decrying expansion. And I am more sick of people telling us how this that and the other must be persevered with despite it failing and failing in the past, and if it does fail it's the "flat capper, non expansion" people's faults (which HAS been said on this thread). |
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Quote ="Roy Haggerty"Again, as on the other thread, you are misreading what I am writing. I'm not in favour of inventing teams and plonking them down willy nilly. I do, on the other hand think that the idea that a pro side can be built up from amateur beginnings is something that is often cited as an alternative to franchise/licensing expansion, and yet has never provided us with a new pro side. I also - again - did not say that anyoen who was lukewarm or negative about Crusaders opposed expansion full stop. I said "Opponents of expansion should be honest...". If you really think there are no opponents of expansion in our sport then you need to pull your head out of the sand, because there are. '"
When you say "opponents of expansion", who are you talking to though? Because the way you have structured your posts, it is appearing that anyone who opposes the idea of expansion through the way Celtic have is an opponent of expansion, hence why you said: "saying that we shouldn't try to expand through the likes fo Celtic and Catalans is essentially saying we shouldn't try to expand, full stop" which is blatently not true. Just because someone has a different opinion of how expansion should happen doesn't make them an opponent of expansion.
There certainly are opponents of expansion out there, but where are they on this thread? Who on this thread has said "we shouldn't expand at all"? If these are the kind of people you are talking about, then why waste you're time when no-one on here is arguing that?
Quote ="Roy Haggerty"There are also those who pay lip-service to the idea that the game should expand, but then cover that with so many caveats about "what needs to be done first", that they're clearly not in the business of actually alowing it to happen in the lifetime of anyone who reads this mesageboard. And there's a range of other opinions. It is not me, who is grouping these into two monolithic camps of expansionists and flat-cappers. You need to read what I write, and not what you think I write, or there is no point to this.'"
If some of the things suggested had been done, they we might see them reap rewards. As it is, what has actually been done to promote clubs to move up the leagues from amateur to semi-pro to SL? There are huge boundaries between the amateur game and semi-pro game. These are huge issues, and whilst they are here, the bottom-up system will never get a good crack of the whip.
Meanwhile we have seen what dropping teams in from virtual no foundations has led to time and time again.
Quote ="Roy Haggerty"For example, I did not say that Catalans and Celtic were identical cases. Yet you devote a paragraph to suggesting that I did. There are similarities. There are differences. But the point stands - both were effectively created solely to occupy a SL place which would be awarded to them on the basis of their potential. Neither was a case of organic growth of the sort usually advocated by those who oppose any such venture. '"
You grouped Celtic and Catalans together as if they were the same sort of case. "Saying we shouldn't expand through the likes of Catalans and Celtic", what if people agree with one but not the other? Catalans is a hugely different situation to Celtic. There is no point in evening mentioning one with the other. Apart from both being "franchises" so to speak (although in completely different settings) and being outside of the M62, I fail to see many other similarities.
Quote ="Roy Haggerty"There are people on these boards who were absolutely implacable in their opposition to Catalans, and who said that as an artificial construct it would never work, and as France didn't have the players it would never work, and as they were being given a place in SL without winning promotion, then it was unfair/bogus/doomed to failure/precisely how expansion shouldn't happen, etc etc etc. Some of those same people are now pontificating that Les Cats was exactly the sort of model they had in mind because of history/playing resources/heritage blah blah blah, while saying the same thing about Crusaders as they did about Cats. '"
Who, exactly? Who has said one and now gone back on it? And since Celtic is a completely different scenario to Catalans, why do these matter? I'm not saying there won't be people that have gone back on it, but I'd think there are very few that are that pessimistic and stubborn that they'd go back on it in such a hypocritical way. And I haven't seen any on this thread for you to address.
Celtic are more in a Gateshead/PSG model than a Catalans model. This is why people are opposed to them. As these clubs were rushed and died, I don't blame many for being sceptical about Celtic.
Quote ="Roy Haggerty"I have no doubt that had Crusaders been an outstanding success then those people would have been telling us how they were a based on a thriving amateur Welsh conference, and "rugby" heritage, and how coming through the lower leagues helped prepare them etc etc. '"
You are assuming things now.
Quote ="Roy Haggerty"By the way, I'm not sure that you can decry anything that anyone else says as ridiculous if you cite as evidence of successful bottom up "expansion" : Bradford, Castleford, Huddersfield, Hull FC, Hull KR, Leeds, Salford, Wakefield, Warrington and Wigan. I don't think you meant that, but then maybe that's how important it is to read carefully what people say.'"
The word "expansion" was never used. The myth that a bottom-up method has never worked in RL is what I said. If bottom-up doesn't work, and top-down doesn't work, how have we got clubs in the SL? Clearly a system has to have worked somewhere for these clubs to be around for as long as they have been and for them to prosper.
Quote ="Roy Haggerty"By the way, if you're still in any doubt about whether Catalans were viewed in the same way as Crusaders by similar people, I've dredged up a thread for you :
viewtopic.php? ... sc&start=0
That's only one which I found after about 5 minutes looking. The site doesn't seem to have much before then, and I didn't want to spend too much of my Saturday digging it all out, but anyone who was knocking around the boards in 2003-2006 can recall how Catalans would never work because of all the reasons which are currently being cited as to why Crusaders could never work. '"
You have chosen a board where a few Widnes fans, obviously bitter at the time of their relegation, are having a pop as an example. My point wasn't that they weren't there (because there are obviously going to be pessimistic and insular people in the world, I have never argued there hasn't been). My point was were are they on this thread? Bowes got abused and called a flat-earther by Johnoco for having the audacity to oppose the way Celtic entered the league. Many others have been abused in the same way. I think it's safe to say it comes just as much the other way for suggesting it won't work.
It's not always about who or where is being expanded that creates ill-feeling in people, but how.
Quote ="Roy Haggerty"Never assume that just because you are consistent, that other people cannot be hypocritical.'"
And I never have. I am the first to tell everyone how dally is every time he logs on to a computer.
I am as sick as you appear to be about people decrying expansion. But decrying Celtic isn't decrying expansion. And I am more sick of people telling us how this that and the other must be persevered with despite it failing and failing in the past, and if it does fail it's the "flat capper, non expansion" people's faults (which HAS been said on this thread). | |
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| Quote ="Barry_McKenzie"He is spot on.
If the public had wanted a Welsh RL side they would have supported one.
They didn't....so they didnt.
End of argument.'"
Not really the end of the argument though, is it?
Why is it failing? Why didn't they support it? What would have been better? Who is to blame? |
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| Quote ="Wellsy13"Not really the end of the argument though, is it?
Why is it failing? Why didn't they support it? What would have been better? Who is to blame?'"
It failed for a variety of reasons, but in my opinion the main ones are:
1. South Wales is a Rugby Union area. Its like setting up a new RU Club somewhere around Hull and then wondering why no one supports it. The majority of people in South Wales don't give a fat rats about league. Hence hardly anyone turned up to support the club.
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| Quote ="Wellsy13"Not really the end of the argument though, is it?
Why is it failing? Why didn't they support it? What would have been better? Who is to blame?'"
Careful wellsy don't try and get Bazza to enter reasoned argument, he's just not capable |
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| Quote ="Traffic"Careful wellsy don't try and get Bazza to enter reasoned argument, he's just not capable'"
In this case there really isn't any reasonable argument.
No one supported Celtic Crusaders because
1. they were a terrible side
2. They tried to set up in an RU stronghold.
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Quote ="Roy Haggerty":12qvj1hm
:12qvj1hmBy the way, if you're still in any doubt about whether Catalans were viewed in the same way as Crusaders by similar people, I've dredged up a thread for you ::12qvj1hm
viewtopic.php? ... sc&start=0
That's only one which I found after about 5 minutes looking. The site doesn't seem to have much before then, and I didn't want to spend too much of my Saturday digging it all out, but anyone who was knocking around the boards in 2003-2006 can recall how Catalans would never work because of all the reasons which are currently being cited as to why Crusaders could never work.
Never assume that just because you are consistent, that other people cannot be hypocritical.'" , but when those internet Warriors then say " I told you so " , you cannot blame them |
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:12qvj1hmBy the way, if you're still in any doubt about whether Catalans were viewed in the same way as Crusaders by similar people, I've dredged up a thread for you ::12qvj1hm
viewtopic.php? ... sc&start=0
That's only one which I found after about 5 minutes looking. The site doesn't seem to have much before then, and I didn't want to spend too much of my Saturday digging it all out, but anyone who was knocking around the boards in 2003-2006 can recall how Catalans would never work because of all the reasons which are currently being cited as to why Crusaders could never work.
Never assume that just because you are consistent, that other people cannot be hypocritical.'" , but when those internet Warriors then say " I told you so " , you cannot blame them | |
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| Quote ="Grendel"Catalancs, REALLY? Say it ain't so!
The former director of the Arsepreys would be Mike Cuddy and he is a FAR bigger p*r*i*c*k than Leighton Samuel. ABSOLUTELY loathed by everyone in Bridgend.
Samuel screwed up the Warriors by selling them to the WRU. Cuddy part funded the buy-out (along with all the Union "regional" "benefactors"icon_wink.gif on the assumption that against all WRU promises, the club would be shut down and their resources shared out amongst all the conspirators. Bridgend Ravens then became part of the Arsepreys "region" and were ignored by our new "masters" apart from harvesting all our best players. Bridgend were relegated last year.
I can tell you ocnfidently that NO RL pro club will succeed in S Wales unless Bridgend supports it. And Bridgend f*u*c*k*i*n*g HATES Jabba Cuddy.
Personally I'd like to beat Mike Cuddy to death using Leighton Samuel as a weapon.
So that's it then. The insular parochial flatcappers have won! There is NO future for RL in Wales.
With the exceptions of Dragons and Quins, the triumphant flatcappers can now comfortably walk to all away fixtures, without distrurbing the ferrets in their trousers, release their homing pigeons and walk home again before their clogs start to spark.'"
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| Quote ="Wellsy13"This is possibly one of the most ignorant posts I have read on here from someone who claims to be knowledgable about the game's history.'"
I know full well any problems RL has had to face thank you very much but it still doesn't explain it's ridiculously small growth. Yes, RL has had to face many problems that others haven't but ATEOTD, it's always excuses isn't it? We would have done this, we would have done that if only it wasn't for Union or whatever. Well why did none of it work? Because the 'heartlanders' didn't like newcomers getting involved and taking away resources, a cry which still resounds today. Ever since I got into RL, I have been telling people how RL will one day rule the world and quoted the same arguments you said to me about problems developing the game but not anymore, I'm just going to enjoy it for what it is, a small game doing not too bad but with no real chance of developing.
Besides, I don't actually recall stating my views on the CC, so how do you know what I think about their inclusion? Maybe because I aren't rubbing my hands and laughing, you assume I think it was a great idea? |
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| Quote ="Johnoco"I know full well any problems RL has had to face thank you very much but it still doesn't explain it's ridiculously small growth. Yes, RL has had to face many problems that others haven't but ATEOTD, it's always excuses isn't it? We would have done this, we would have done that if only it wasn't for Union or whatever. Well why did none of it work? Because the 'heartlanders' didn't like newcomers getting involved and taking away resources, a cry which still resounds today. Ever since I got into RL, I have been telling people how RL will one day rule the world and quoted the same arguments you said to me about problems developing the game but not anymore, I'm just going to enjoy it for what it is, a small game doing not too bad but with no real chance of developing.
Besides, I don't actually recall stating my views on the CC, so how do you know what I think about their inclusion? Maybe because I aren't rubbing my hands and laughing, you assume I think it was a great idea?'"
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| Quote ="rufustanner"Can you explain what problems the 'Heartlanders' have caused Celtic?'"
They have caused the culture of self interest from day one. |
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Obviously by spending a couple of hundred pounds to spend the weekends in Bridgend in 2007/8 has made things worse  |
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| Quote ="Wellsy13"Not really the end of the argument though, is it?
Why is it failing? Why didn't they support it? What would have been better? Who is to blame?'"
The question isn't about support, it seems to me. In terms of support they were better than Quins and on a par with Salford, in their first year. Despite losing nearly every game and clearly being uncompetitive. It's not unreasonable to assume that the support could only have grown from there, given time and a better side.
The question as to what's gone wrong seems - as always - to be far more to do with the quality of adminstration at both club and RFL level, which has once again seen our sport attracts several thousand new fans in a new area (a la Gateshead), and then screw them over royally. |
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The question as to what's gone wrong seems - as always - to be far more to do with the quality of adminstration at both club and RFL level, which has once again seen our sport attracts several thousand new fans in a new area (a la Gateshead), and then screw them over royally.'"
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| Quote ="Johnoco"They have caused the culture of self interest from day one.'"
Can you be a bit more specific about the problems the 'Heartlanders' have caused Celtic?
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| Quote ="Johnoco"They have caused the culture of self interest from day one.'"
So the thoughts and words of people in Leigh,Widnes and Featherstone somehow cause people in South Wales to decide to not to attend a RL game in Bridgend ? 
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| Quote ="Catalancs"Have heard today that the Crusaders look like moving lock stock and barrel to Wrexham where the money man there is Geoff Moss who heads up Elegant Resorts in Chester.
Newport could not raise the cash however they are looking to play three or four games in South Wales however it stills needs Leighton Samuels to sell the shares and the problem is Wrexham are willing to take most of the debt but not pay for doing so
Two are in the frame for a new Championship 1 side in South Wales one being a former director of the Ospreys who has fallen out with them.'"
oh and which credible accurate source has this come from? Seeing as 1 there has been no official announcement. 2 the pr guy is in the states on holiday 3 mike turner or any other member of the board are not answering phone calls or responding to the fans emails? So I ask you again who told you this or are you s**t stirring again? You have no source do you? Pipe down and crawl under your rock or play in the traffic. And don't bother with the I can't say who it is rubbish |
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| Quote ="chubbs1981"oh and which credible accurate source has this come from? Seeing as 1 there has been no official announcement. 2 the pr guy is in the states on holiday 3 mike turner or any other member of the board are not answering phone calls or responding to the fans emails? So I ask you again who told you this or are you s**t stirring again? You have no source do you? Pipe down and crawl under your rock or play in the traffic. And don't bother with the I can't say who it is rubbish'"
On the link above, the Widnes MP claims Richard Lewis confirmed this is what they want to happen or will happen. |
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Um no. How does the rfl wants to see a superleague team in Wrexham. And the mp saying it is his belief crusaders will move, a confirmation? It's some unheard of mp trying to score points before an election by Reading between the lines and jumping to conclusions it is in no way reliable it is a personal oppinion based on assumption.
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| Quote ="chubbs1981"Um no. How does the rfl wants to see a superleague team in Wrexham. And the mp saying it is his belief crusaders will move, a confirmation? It's some unheard of mp trying to score points before an election by Reading between the lines and jumping to conclusions it is in no way reliable it is a personal oppinion based on assumption.'"
2+2 does seem to be adding up here though. |
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| Quote ="chubbs1981"Um no. How does the rfl wants to see a superleague team in Wrexham. And the mp saying it is his belief crusaders will move, a confirmation? It's some unheard of mp trying to score points before an election by Reading between the lines and jumping to conclusions it is in no way reliable it is a personal oppinion based on assumption.'"
Despite the fact he spoke to Lewis twice in the past few days? Unheard of MP by the way? I wonder how many politicians you have heard of? |
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| Quote ="richardviking"Despite the fact he spoke to Lewis twice in the past few days? Unheard of MP by the way? I wonder how many politicians you have heard of?'"
A now back bench former undersecretary of many positions is hardly the minister of sport. As for politions I've heard of lots thanks seeing as I watch this week question time and the daily politics religiously! |
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