In that one case, Westwood was taking a cheap shot, nothing new, he's a cheapshot merchant - but Webb is worse.

That said, I am glad Webb plays for Leeds

I am rather glad Webb plays for Leeds as well, and can well understand his frustrations with some of the less talented opposition players he encounters.

At this late stage in his career he has nothing left to prove,and I just wish he would use his experience more, and his head hunting tackling less.

That said, I don't think anyone should really be penalised for giving Westwood a smack.....it's hardly going to ruin his film star looks, now is it?

Brent Webb was once a very talented RL player - now he just looks jaded, cynical and grubby; the horrible gurning and ranting at the officials every time he's tackled gives the impression of either a big baby or a prima-donna.

He's still creating try after try after try. But his petulance has been more than an irritant for some time now.

Does he? I know he creates penalty after penalty for the opposition.

Oh, wait, he does create tries for them too when he lets the ball bounce.

Westwood- cheap shot artist

One thing I do know, he collects Grand Final winners rings like nobodies business. The biggest baby in Rugby league is Lee Briers, if anyone dares to look at him he bawls and wets his pants.

Well Leeds have set the standard everyone else has to follow to win a Grand Final. Warrington are apparently emulating the cheap shot part of that standard so if they can emulate the "Sinfield being the second ref" and "How dare people tackle me" parts of it then the Grand Final will be theirs soon enough.

And yet, numerous coaches in both the NRL and SL have continued to select him week in, week out. In many cases, despite having a number of supposedly better (according to opposition fans) options available.

They clearly are missing something that you and the other whiners in this thread can see - you really should take up elite level coaching with such amazing insight.

You'll be p*ssing away what's left of your credibility next by telling me you'd rather have Grix the Lesser in your team at full-back. Tell him Zak Hardaker says hello and thanks for all the tries

I did think Westwood got away with a pearler on Webb, but at the same time like they said on the NRL game commentary i watched last weekend when Tahu gave a penalty away while in possession inside the oppo 20, "like my old coach said, when you've got the ball in your hand, they can bite your face off and you shouldnt react".

I have always thought he had a bit of a bo selecta head.

Webb of 2009
Excellent

Webb of 2012
Liability

I don't think Webb has changed since 2005 at NZ Worriors he has always been agressive, petulant and questionable tackle technique. Not been his biggest fan last year but his attack has drastically improved on last year, and is creating chances in attack

Still one of the top 3 fullbacks in the league. Who would you rather have?

Its seems a minority of Wigan supporters have developed this 'Webb syndrome'. Apparently they can only be defeated if their is a conspiracy/foul play or they just couldnt be bothered, Its impossible for the opposition to just be better than them on the day.

I don't even think he is the best full back at the club any more. Look all over our board and most people agree. I think he is only there this year because we have an average 3/4 line age of about 7

Brett Hodgson
Sam Tomkins
Luke Patten
Scott Grix
Luke Dorn
Clint Greenshields

There's probably a few more as well.

The alternatives would be competent full backs but I can't see any of them offering Webb's attacking advantages - which is why he remains key IMO.

Tomkins, obviously. Hodgson he's on a level with, and Patten has started the season well after being poor last year so we'll see. Grix and Dorn better than Webb? I honestly don't know how some people can see the games through their prejudice. It's amazing Leeds win so much with such a lemon in such a vital position.

If BJB offered as much at fullback as Webb as an attacking pivot or a last-line defender then Webb wouldn't be at the club any more. He doesn't, so he is.

Webb in the first half of the WCC was back to his very best. His second half effort was a bit erratic to say the least. If he performed to that first half level every week only Tomkins would be ahead of him in SL.

A number of Leeds fans weren't happy with him being retained for this year, but I was, especially given the young threequarter line we have. He makes mistakes and gives away penalties, but he's also a threat in attack and generally solid in defence. It will be interesting to see if he stays beyond this year, and if not who gets the gig for next year.

Tomkins yes

Hodgson pattern greenshields and Webb all much of a muchness with different strengths and weaknesses

Dorn and grix? No

When Grix moved to fullback at the Giants we wondered how we would cope without Hodgson.

We didn't miss Hodgson one bit. That says it all about Grix at fullback.

When Webb first arrived he truly was world class. Now, I wouldn't swap him for any of the Giants that can play fullback.

I agree Grix is a good player but nowhere near Hodgson in term of quality.

I think Grix is just one of those players thats willing to put 100% in every game and in every minute, which makes up for this.

Leeds have a couple of whingy players, Webb, Bailey, Smith to name but a few, the question would be raised would any get into Wigan or Saints squads? The only saving grace is Leeds also have quite a few players which just shutup and get the job done ala Peacock etc otherwise I'd never watch Leeds play.....

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