If he was as poor as you suggest then Rovers wouldn't even be a mid table side.





Is this the same Jake Webster who's only played 14 games this season?







Try again Smokey.

Its irrelevant.
There's no need to employ Jake Webster

What?

I think Celtic have proved this year a team of solely NRL reserve graders can reach the play-offs, something most teams should be pretty embarrssed about to be honest

It is, the same Jake Webster that despite injury has still played more games at centre than the player you seem to think is a first choice centre in Cockayne, Jake Webster, the Kiwi one

Ben Cockayne has played a whole 7 games at centre this season you clown



And if you dont need him, get rid of him rather than giving him another 2 year deal, or will Ratu still be being 'developed' at 24 like Mariano?

Indeed, a mediocre side like Rovers beat Leeds home and away this season, food for thought eh?

What with all these world class English youngsters Leeds are bringing through, it sure takes some explaining!



If Webster has been injured for months it's not Webster that's keeping Ratu out of the team is it?

Ratu has also been injured for months. When neither were injured Webster played 14 games and Ratu 2



keep clutching at those straws

What point are you trying to make here?

That when fit, Webster kept Ratu out of the Hull KR side, i didnt think it was a particularly complex or controversial point, Barnacle Bill seems to disagree

Maybe it's because he's right and you're wrong.

So you agree Ratu has been injured for months explaining why he couldn't even be considered to play let alone play, yet you choose to seize on the fact Ratu hasn't played much as some kind of stick to beat Rovers with.

You then think it strange that a former New Zealand international (still only 26, hardly past his prime) has been selected more when both were available? What world do you live in Smokey?

When Ratu did play, did he really take his chance in the way Welham had previously in your opinion? After seeing his first few games did he really leave Morgan no option but to select him ahead of Webster?







Give it a rest Smokey, you're getting nowhere with this one.

Ratu played early in the season got injured then came back played a few games and was injured again. Ratu wasn't fit for more then 5 or 6 games this year.

But he wouldnt have played anyway, Webster would.

So is Jake Webster a first choice centre or not? Considering he has played 11 games this year for you at centre (out of 14) and Cockayne only 7(out of 23) so your point about playing Cockayne and Welham was disingenuous.

Just as it is to claim Ratu is a player you have brought through when at 22 there is a player you expect to be picked ahead of him, who has just signed a new contract.

Wrong, Ratu was going to be the starting centre in the very first game of the season with Webster at 6, Sadly he did a hamstring in the very last training session before the game.

Once fit he played against Huddersfield in round 3 and suffered a reoccurance of said Hamstring injury.

Again once he had recovered he played in the reserves as by this point he'd played once in ten weeks and had no match fitness, came in for the injured Welham in round 13 and then replaced the injured Webster in rounds 17, 18 and 19 before getting injured again


Oh and congratulations on Murrell, Fox and Watts on making the England train on squad, although no doubt they will have been England players long before Hull KR had anything to do with it no doubt

No, the problem here is you failing to accept that:

1. It is more likely that a former NZ International (still only 26 years old, hardly a has been) might be selected than an unproven player (regardless of nationality) given that you don't get selected for NZ by accident.

2. If Ratu had taken his chance, as Welham did, then it is most likely he would have kept the centre spot (the precendent is there with Welham)

3. With Ratu being injured for large parts of the season he could not have been selected in any event, but had he been fit he would probably have been kept out by Cockayne anyway (who has had another good season for Rovers).

By the way, I thought you wanted Rovers to sign "proven" Aussie/Kiwi players or have you changed your mind on that one too now?

anyone care to list all SL clubs squads (confirmed for 2011) Highlighting the overseas passports on offer......regardless of grandparent ruling.....just where they were born.
Odds are, Quins will have 3.....HKA will have 11

but we are a sham

Start a thread fax.

Fortunately our coach thinks like me, pick the best player available for the job and let the RFL worry about quota rulings. Roll on next year when our band of merry journeymen win us some silverware!

Thing is does it matter , there are no more SL quality players to come from the heartlands , we already are at saturation point , thats why we need to expand our horizons

Anyone who thinks England can't beat Australia in a series because Sl clubs have 10 overseas players rather than 5 or 6 out of a squad of 25 needs to give themselves an uppercut!

As has been discussed elsewhere, it's down to circumstances that you only have 3, not choice.

You said it.

Are Hull KR limited to employing players from only one area of the country?

I have no problem accepting that. In fact i have been saying that. It was you who inferred it was Cockayne and Welham who would be keeping Ratu out and not Webster,
So why have you offered Webster another 2 year deal if you are giving Ratu an opportunity to take the centre spot? Are you really keeping on one of your best paid players as a reserve to Mike Ratue?

so this player you are 'bringing through' 'giving a chance to' etc etc is actually 22 and your 3rd choice centre. And all you arguments regarding how it was injury and not Webster that kept Ratu out you are now admitting is nonsense because you accept he had two players ahead of him in the pecking order, both on long/medium term contracts, including an extension this year for Webster.

what did i say that led you to that conclusion?

No, he had a chance to prove himself in training and in games just the same as anyone else. Do Leeds remove players from a winning team who are playing well just to give a chance to unproven English lads?



During this off season and in pre season games he will start at the same level as everyone else. It's up to him to make it impossible for Morgan not to choose him, not for Morgan to select him because he is English. Just like Welham did.








Virtually everything you've said in this thread.

Not at all, but they do give a chance to the young lads. Something Hull KR arent doing because their places are filled with overseas players.

so why has he offered Webster another contract if he believes Ratu is able to not only act as a back but may be a first choice centre? after all you have said you were happy with Cockayne there. Why do you need 5 players for that position all over the age of 22, because you are also claiming you are 'bringing through' 'developing' etc etc Mariano who is 23.

like?