The guy came here as a pro RL player and is still that. It's not like he cane from nothing.

My point this 'I want to be English' attitude has cone about this last week (no mention when signed new deal?) and he was desperate for Kiwi chance, didn't get it now we jump in and act like he's a martyr.

As I say if he wants to become a citizen and withdraw from exile selections until then fair enough. Who does he play for in that next year?

How can it be xenophobic? I have no issue with him living, playing here whatsoever. It's a delight tbh. Issue is representing England RL that's the ONLY issue, period. Talk of racism / xenophobia is just people who can't really fight the actual point.

Personally I'd prefer it to be citizenship (can still qualify from living here etc). How can I guy whose played 3 seasons here and probably every off season back home rightly qualify? 28/30 months?

As i've also said if Chase had stated his intent start of the year at least fair play but fact is it's a new thing after not gaining Kiwi selection.

No, qualifying for England comes before being the best. He qualifies.

Precedent? You clearly have no clue what that word means. National eligibility rules are not the subject of common law so no precedent can be set. Even if it were, Chase isn't the first player to represent England under these rules so he can't have set a precedent.

This is meaningless, Joey


There is no way on Earth that you can know that for sure. Only predudice can draw you to such a conclusion, without full knowledge.


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No it is not. It could very easily be based on racism, very easily. I don't actually think it is though. Not from what I have read here, anyway.

I'll take #1 any day, and it's not racist, old skool, or narrow minded to hold that opinion. Simply because some people disagree with the direction the international game is heading, doesn't make us any more entrenched than you are in your opinion. Neither does it mean we're being down on the game.

Bottom line is, it prevents a player who should otherwise get the opportunity from getting it. That's bad news for his development, and given he's probably represented England at junior level for a few years - and who know's even beaten the Aussies in a test series! - probably leaves him feeling a bit dejected. Or is the idea that they should be motivated?

Spot on that man/woman.

Where do you draw the line with these things? Some saying it would be OK if he was a citizen, others if he has parents, others grandparents, others he has to be born on English soil. Plenty of qualifying Aussie and NZ players over here that don't have a chance of getting into their national team who don't want to play for England, although they may well be good enough. Rangi WANTS to play and is eligable. That will do for me. You get English players born and bred who put club before country whereas Rangi is saying "I want it"

Your opinion is based on your misguided whim. It is a whim which you desperately cling to, despite all the evidence which shows that your ideal situation is wrong and doesn't exist anywhere in Pro team sport. That is an entrenched view.

My view is based on the laws of international sport. Therefore, the logical view, which you cannot accept.

It can be seen as xenophobic because you only want English born athletes playing for England. You and others don't want Rangi to represent England just because he was born elsewhere. Therein lies what can be seen to be xenophobia. You want to deny him the ability to represent England even though he is just as English as the rest of us because he lives here, works here, pays his taxes etc etc. Despite him being just as eligible as all other English athletes to play you want to prevent him because you see him as different. That is how it can be seen to be xenophobic. National identity or the eligibility to represent a nation is far more complex than just being born in a country.

English citizens I said

But you don't have to be. You just have to comply with the three year residency rule. He does, he qualifies. If you are still against him playing for England, then it can only be down to miss-placed idealism. That is not something you can run international sport on, as all of our individual ideals are different.

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Not in response to the saying he's some sort of role model to the likes of refugee's.

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Not fo a week but interview 2 months back was talking about playing for NZ!



Racism is based on hate / prejudice for being a particular race, hardly the same. This is the England national team FFS.

What are you talking about you utter spoon!?













So, everyone who ever migrates to this country is fleeing war??

Doesn't the fact he is being treated as some sort of 'signing' show what's wrong with the international system though?

I'm struggling with your 'role model to migrants' comment?
He's come over playing the sport he loves and us doing great at it yes but it's a bit different to someone in need of a role model to search for a better life.

Or you want a role model to say of not playing international RL for your chosen nation head to SL and play for England in 3 seasons?

Racism no. But I think Xenophobia might be kicking in for some. It is a pretty irrational fear not to want Rangi to play even though he qualifies under the rules as English and he wants to play.

xen·o·phobe (zn-fb, zn-)
n.
A person unduly fearful or contemptuous of that which is foreign, especially of strangers or foreign peoples

I think it would be more racist, if you didn't want, for instance - a black player playing for England [iregardless[/i of his nationality.

Its looks like you're struggling with the English language as well. What are you trying to say?

So i'm racist because i want to ENGLISH players representing ENGLAND.

Do you even know what racism means?? I have many friends from other backgrounds, so in what way am i racist you utter fool. I find it incredibly infuriating the way people like you throw the race card around. You have no idea what racism, suggest you speak to someone who has generally suffered racist abuse and see the difference. Am i racist for wanting my country to win the four nations and smash the Aussies? Suppose everyones racist supporting their country at sporting events. Can't leave the other nations out can we. Are the RFL racist too for having an overseas quotea, afterall, an Aussie RL player who wants to work in this country can't do so because of the quota.

I support England, not a super league dream team made up of Aussies & Kiwis. Fans want England to win (that are full of Aussie & Kiwis) i just don't understand to be honest.

Sorry for the blatant troll, but that is the first defence of a racist.

Well that would certainly make it a clear cut case. But racism is racism, no matter what form it takes.

Not too sure what your point is here? Are you saying, because it seems to be less racist, it's OK?

i couldn't be less bothered about this if you paid me.

If you are going on what I have written, not necessarily. Stop trying to make yourself into a victim, in order to give you an excuse to whinge like feck

No it's just not racist in anyway shape or form.

Are you speaking for yourself or everyone?

Given what proof?

And surely racism is more along the lines of not wanting (for e.g.) Michael Lawrence to play for England? Quick someone write an essay in the Wembley match programme: Postmodern relativism and the construct of nation and identity.