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| Quote ="Lockers700"Please, please, please let this be so! Haha'"
Why?
What`s clever about letting someone break their contract in this way after they already agreed terms?
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| Quote ="chapylad"Why?
What`s clever about letting someone break their contract in this way after they already agreed terms?'"
Not what GH has to say he says it’s rubbish or words to that affect
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| Quote ="chapylad"Why?
What`s clever about letting someone break their contract in this way after they already agreed terms?'"
Not what GH has to say he says it’s rubbish or words to that affect
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| Quote ="Nothus"Yikes. Contracts really aren't worth the paper they're written on if he's able to walk away like this.'"
If there's a clause in the contract that says he can walk away like this, then they're very much worth the paper they are written on.
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| Quote ="bramleyrhino"If there's a clause in the contract that says he can walk away like this, then they're very much worth the paper they are written on.'"
Yeah that's a fair point. Be interesting to see what happens now that GH has said there is no such clause, though.
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| Quote ="chapylad"Why?
What`s clever about letting someone break their contract in this way after they already agreed terms?'"
I presume the frivolity may be more to do with Agar coming in, rather than Furner reneging (allegedly).
If true, maybe Hetherington could put up a fight, ala Segeyaro.
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| Quote ="The Devil's Advocate"I presume the frivolity may be more to do with Agar coming in, rather than Furner reneging (allegedly).
If true, maybe Hetherington could put up a fight, ala Segeyaro.'"
I would assume so too, and just because Furner "might" be South's first choice doesn't mean he will accept the offer and go back on his deal anyway
Interesting point re: putting up a fight though, realistically what could he do? A club holds a players registration as well as their contract which makes it a slightly different situation (hence why even when Segeyaro refused to come back Leeds had power to stop him playing elsewhere). As far as I'm aware this doesn't apply to coaches so there is probably little they could do to stop him taking the Souths job if he wanted it.
Don't get me wrong, legal-wise they would have a very good case for big compensation from Souths for breaking that contract if he did decide to go back on his deal, and would undoubtedly win the case. But beyond that, I don't think they could stop him in the same way they technically could in the Segeyaro contract. Possibly the only way would be if the NRL refused to sanction it which I very much doubt would happen.
Would be sad if he did go back on a deal so soon after signing it and reflect quite poorly on his character imo, but if he decided not to come to England and not to coach Leeds I don't think GH could do much about it other than get a few quid from Souths in compo
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| Quote ="wakey_saint"
Don't get me wrong, legal-wise they would have a very good case for big compensation from Souths for breaking that contract if he did decide to go back on his deal, and would undoubtedly win the case. But beyond that, I don't think they could stop him in the same way they technically could in the Segeyaro contract. Possibly the only way would be if the NRL refused to sanction it which I very much doubt would happen.'"
Has Furner actually started working for Leeds? I thought I read he started in November. If so, no breach of contract, no compensation?
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| Tricky one.
As a Rhinos fan, he should absolutely honour his contract and head on over.
But if I were in his position, with a chance to stay where I am but into the role I ultimately want to end up in (but now), then it's hard to begrudge him changing his mind. Especially as it's a massive undertaking shifting his family round the world, it's not like it's a new job down the road.
Either way Leeds need to get an answer tomorrow and move on if required. Can't let this drag on or Agar really be our head coach...
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| Be afraid Rhinos fans be very afraid! Agar ruined HullFC and it took us years to shake off his drab tactics and poor signings. I’d love to know what dirt he has on Kath and Garry to be offered a job like that!
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| Quote ="wakey_saint". Don't get me wrong, legal-wise they would have a very good case for big compensation from Souths for breaking that contract if he did decide to go back on his deal, and would undoubtedly win the case. But beyond that, I don't think they could stop him in the same way they technically could in the Segeyaro contract. Possibly the only way would be if the NRL refused to sanction it which I very much doubt would happen.'"
I doubt they’d get anything from Souths. The BoC (if there is one) would be against Furner as an individual (he’s the one who would be in BoC), unless there was some kind of evidence Souths enticed and induced him into the BoC.
Added to that, the complexity of bringing a BoC case against someone who isn’t even in the UK would be expensive and time-consuming. Ultimately, to get anything financial, Leeds would need to prove a financial loss resulting in the BoC. In this case, I’m not sure there is any way of claiming that the BoC would lead to financial loss, so again there’s a hurdle to jump.
As in the vast majority of cases, in reality there sent much an employer can do when an employee breaches contract. It very rarely leads to a financial loss, particularly to the extent its worth the legal fees to claim it back.
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| Quote ="UllFC"Be afraid Rhinos fans be very afraid! Agar ruined HullFC and it took us years to shake off his drab tactics and poor signings. I’d love to know what dirt he has on Kath and Garry to be offered a job like that!'"
As mentioned on the another thread it was Sinfield who came up with the appointment. Seems like they’ll be a reoccurring theme at Headingley with Sinfield praised for good things and Hetherington taking the blame for the bad stuff.
When the signing of Hurrell was announced Sinfield was getting praised for bringing a quality signing in, if for arguments sake Hurrell turns around and says he doesn’t want to come now if Furner doesn’t come then I’ll guarantee it’ll be GH being criticised and nothing on Sinfield.
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| nothing to see. move along
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| The fact that Furner has held back on making any comment on the rumour and GH was pushed into making denials about contract clause get outs does lend some credibility to him possibly having been in the mix for the Souths vacancy and just wasn't the final pick. If another tempting Oz opportunity arises will he be tempted? I believe his lack of action when the rumour started and no denial from him does question his commitment.
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| Quote ="RickK"The fact that Furner has held back on making any comment on the rumour and GH was pushed into making denials about contract clause get outs does lend some credibility to him possibly having been in the mix for the Souths vacancy and just wasn't the final pick. If another tempting Oz opportunity arises will he be tempted? I believe his lack of action when the rumour started and no denial from him does question his commitment.'"
Or not everybody (especially sports coaches/managers) spend their time on social media. He’s about to uproot to England and he’s trying to recruit more players, got better things to do than see how the internet is reacting to a rumour he knew wasn’t true. By the time the rumour was in full swing and getting reactions and Leeds fans worried it was night time in Australia so a lot of the time when people were waiting for a comment from him he’ll have been asleep.
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| Quote ="The Devil's Advocate"I presume the frivolity may be more to do with Agar coming in, rather than Furner reneging (allegedly).
If true, maybe Hetherington could put up a fight, ala Segeyaro.'"
If Furner head has been turned and wants a gig in the NRL before Superleague then Hethrington could be fighting to have a coach that isn't 100% sure of coming to Leeds. Are Leeds an attractive proposition these days for coach and player, now they have lost so many experienced players.
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| Quote ="Judder Man"If Furner head has been turned and wants a gig in the NRL before Superleague then Hethrington could be fighting to have a coach that isn't 100% sure of coming to Leeds. Are Leeds an attractive proposition these days for coach and player, now they have lost so many experienced players.'"
Wayne Bennett confirmed as me Souths coach. Unlikely Bennett will have agreed a deal in such a short space of time and has probably been speaking to Souths for a while and probably even face to face, which considering he’s over here in England atm then that would’ve been a few weeks ago at least. So doesn’t look like their was anything at all in the Furner rumour except someone’s filling colum inches because he didn’t have the correct story and also that Furner wasn’t sware of the bed wetting going on amongst Leeds fans.
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| Quote ="ThePrinter"Or not everybody (especially sports coaches/managers) spend their time on social media. He’s about to uproot to England and he’s trying to recruit more players, got better things to do than see how the internet is reacting to a rumour he knew wasn’t true. By the time the rumour was in full swing and getting reactions and Leeds fans worried it was night time in Australia so a lot of the time when people were waiting for a comment from him he’ll have been asleep.'"
I'm pretty sure Furner will have an agent that deals with his business affairs, supposedly Furner did respond to a local press enquiry and it wasn't a denial. The wording of your comment has the hallmarks of a damage limitation exercise.
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| Quote ="RickK"I'm pretty sure Furner will have an agent that deals with his business affairs, supposedly Furner did respond to a local press enquiry and it wasn't a denial. The wording of your comment has the hallmarks of a damage limitation exercise.'"
So what exactly did Furner stay to the local press then?
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| Quote ="ThePrinter"So what exactly did Furner stay to the local press then?'"
Ah yeh, nah, yeh, mate.
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| Quote ="tigertot"Ah yeh, nah, yeh, mate.'"
think he said more than that, pretty sure he said yeah mate 3-4 more times.
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| Oh well these detailed accounts of what he “supposedly” said are damning evidence.
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| It would have to be a serious panic appointment for Leeds to bring in Agar as head coach. Must be as an assistant, surely?
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| Quote ="MorePlaymakersNeeded"It would have to be a serious panic appointment for Leeds to bring in Agar as head coach. Must be as an assistant, surely?'"
your a bit behind on this story the whole agar thing. He is coaching development or along that lines.
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| That makes more sense. It's the Furner rumour that's added a pinch of intrigue, and the "Agar to manage Leeds" thread heading.
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