Maybe Dally could answer the following questions?

1. Why - if as he suggests - the game is so well run and bouyant in Australia do the clubs have to rely on revenue from unrelated gambling operations to finance their clubs

2. Why are clubs like Cronulla in so much financial trouble if the revenue within the game is so evenly spread.

3. How come the competition is so Sydney-centric which is causing a number of clubs to struggle for support - Roosters, Bulldogs, Parramatta, Cronulla, Souths to name a few?

1. why do Premier League soccer clubs do the same thing. all of those clubs average almost double the SL crowd average ie 15,000 - 16,000

2. cronulla own assets worth $50 - $100 million. their revenues over christmas are poor as there are no games.

3. the NRL grew out a sydney based competition.

clueless.

Not sure there are many leagues clubs in the UK - have Man U, Chelsea, Arsenal and Liverpool got a reliance on slot machines for their survival?

The point still needs answering why if the NRL is such a bouyant comp can the clubs not function on sponsorship and TV revenues?

Football will always draw bigger crowds at the top level - but the Rhinos crowds match most clubs - Brisbane apart - in the NRL and most clubs outside of the premiership

Cronulla are vitually bust - they have no cash - without some serious influx of money they will not survive long term.

Clueless - yes you are

1. PL rely on sugar daddies.

so by your logic (dumb logic i suppose) PL doesnt have enough sponsorship or TV revenues?

the Rhinos crowds are slightly above the average for the NRL which is 16,000.

sydney clubs average between 13,000 - 16,000.

indeed 3 sydney clubs get 16,000 and the tigers and dogs in past seasons have had 18,000.

cronulla sharks redevelopment plans : stgeorge.yourguide.com.au/news/l ... 92811.aspx the sharks own their own ground, the adjoining leagues club and around $20 million worth of adjoining land. they recently built a fitness first on there which they get income off and further development is planned. as i said before, clueless

cronulla sharks redevelopment plans : stgeorge.yourguide.com.au/news/l ... 92811.aspx the sharks own their own ground, the adjoining leagues club and around $20 million worth of adjoining land. they recently built a fitness first on there which they get income off and further development is planned. as i said before, clueless

Really - that's why Manchester Utd the biggest soccer club in the world is a PLC?

"Sharks chairman Barry Pierce admitted last night his club cannot afford a messy legal dispute. Sources say a court case loss could cost Cronulla up to $1million - money the club simply does not have.

"We can't afford to lose a court case,'' Pierce said. "But it's not only our financial position. We have to make sure we cover every aspect. This is a very big and important issue. It is a very big decision and we want to do the right thing by the club, the sponsors, the supporters, Ricky (Stuart, coach) and the team.''

Cronulla are in danger of sinking under a cash crisis after being forced to borrow $500,000 to pay players and staff over Christmas. The Sharks released a press statement yesterday afternoon saying the matter continues to drag on. "

Quote from the Daily Telegraph down under - doesn't sound like a club flush with money?

As I said clueless

1. So in conclusion, following your arguments, Premier League soccer suffers from sufficent TV revenues or fan bases because of a reliance on other income sources ie sugar daddies

2. despite having assets worth $50 - $100 million the cronulla sharks are about to go broke

3. Leeds rhinos crowds are behind only 1 NRL club.

wow, clueless

malcolm glazer.

Fitzgerald? Gallop? need I go on!

gallops ok.

fitzgerald will be soon out of a job

What keep PL football afloat is SKY monies - the only sugar daddies who are putting any real money in are Roman at Chelsea and he has stopped and the Arabs at Man City - the rest like the guys at Liverpool borrowed heavily to get in and are now doing their best to get out?

Glazer hasn't got any cash - he took a club with virtually no debt into massive debt because that was the only way he could fund the purchase - hardly Roman!!

As for Cronulla if they are as rich as you say they would not need a bail out to keep them afloat - will they still be solvent at the end of this season?

Ther goes the credibility. A News limited lawyer runnning RL, "ermmmm ahhhhhmmmm ermmmmmm". Gallops favourite quotes!

Tell me again the amazing media rights deals he has struck since running the show, or how we have expanded the game in the last 11 years or how AFL tonks us in $'s and fans. Apart from the Titans, who had to fight every step pf the way to get in and the under 20's comp what succeses had Gallop brought to the NRL?

His single handed destruction of the feel good factor for the Centenary year just about sums him up.

agree on lots of that.

but :

1. handling of bulldogs SC crisis was brilliant
2. handling of many off field matters
3. restored games crebility in the media
4. gold coast titans in the NRL

under his watch the NRL is the strongest its been since the SL war. the game was almost destroyed by SL so its a tough gig getting it back to number 1.

lets see the next TV deal. if that is a poor one then he has to go. i think its going to be a massive one.

and lets see if he does expand the NRL again by 2 teams.

if he does bring in perth ill remind you of your comments here.

on fitzgerald, the guy is a cancer on RL. i hate the guy

we agree on one thing! Parra should be targetting Sydneys No1 team with the potential fanbase, jnrs, $'s and stadium they have. Why the Para fans have allowed this guy to keep them mediocre for so long is beyond me!

he rigged it so it was very, very hard to vote him out.

hell be gone soon though, theres another vote coming soon and hes expected to lose it.

hes wasted $20 million on a failed soccer team and rugby union and now says there isnt sufficient money for the RL club.

seriously if he got hit by a truck i wouldnt be upset (and thats saying it lightly). i dead set hate the guy.

as you say parra have everything going for them and nothing happens whilst fitzgerald chases other sports.

Not born out during 2008 when crowds were well down on the previous season - 2009 the prospect is not looking any brighter - those in the know predict an even sharper fall.

On a serious note you will never even up the comp until you find a way of spreading the top junior players amongst all the clubs so that they have 1/2 quality youngsters coming through a season.

If all the best kids go to three clubs Leeds in Yorkshire, Hull FC on Humberside and either Saints or Wigan in Lancs those clubs will always have an advantage.

They will be able to bring in hot talent on little money which will enable them to keep their top players - Leeds has a constant crop of youngsters coming through since 2002 - no wonder it has won the comp 3 of the last 5 years and it has 3 - Watkins, Jones Bishop and McShane - waiting to come through all seriously good and in key positions.

Dally - now will you accept you posted this!! - as you quite rightly say you have a bit of a habit of forgetting some of your more inaccurate posts

Precisely the point I have made on other threads.

Why is Watkins at Leeds?
He's a Salford lad.

Salford should be given first chance.

What should happen is that players from a teams own designated service areas should be exempt (or only count as percentage on the salary cap)

That would stop the "big boys" creaming off the junior talent from other clubs.

Salford shouldn’t be given any ‘first chance’ they should have gone out and taken it, they already have an inherent advantage in being there, they are wasting this, we shouldn’t then stop other clubs picking up the slack

the service areas are a stupid idea that does nothing and would achieve nothing and further ringfencing of these areas would only lead to players being missed, competition in scouting and recruiting young players is a good thing, it’s a great thing in fact, its what pushes the standards up,

Youth developed players shouldn’t count on the cap, or at least less than others, we should reward clubs for doing what we want them to do, but they shouldn’t be given an ‘area’ to waste, and players cant be forced to go through one route over another because of where they lived, that isnt fair on them,

And the big boys don’t generally cream the talent off the other clubs, they smaller clubs never generally get the talent in the first place, its usually already picked up by the big boys

I was a little bored (watching a 0-0 Chelsea vs City game) and thought I would take a look at the last few pages of threads on the VT – this one struck me as interesting

The last post was in February 2009 and the discussion was “is the salary cap making the SL more even”

So, two years later, what do you think

1. Is the competition more even this year than two years ago with results harder to pick?
2. Is there a more even spread of talent across the teams (particularly young players)?

I would be better if the youngster who makes their first team debut with a club; they shouldn’t count on salary cap then have more money for better Aussies.

Both st helens and leeds have only won 50% of their games, no team has won all their games, all teams have won at least one game, players in the England and England Knights squads are spread out all over super league, all of these point to yes

Although there are still only 4 clubs which realistically could make the grand final so we still have some way to go yet, we need more clubs spending the maximum (or near to) salary cap (with out going bust)

nope

some people will be fooled because of the short-term early season blips we see every season. There are 5 teams who could get to the GF this year, three historically big sides in Leeds, Saints and Wigan, and two who have been backed by sugar daddies, Hudds and Warrington.

Leeds, Saints and Wigan as always have quality youth ready to come through, Warrington through Morans investment and John Bastian have an academy which is getting to that level and Hudds have spent massively on some of the best young talent.

None of that is down to the SC which in its current form simply doesnt work.