This analogy only works if you ignore some large facts.
Villa were instantly successful when they made the move from being a cricket team in victorian times. Birmingham City were called Small Heath during this period. So, Villa were the "big" team. "Birmingham City" didnt come into being until the 2nd world war some 70 years after Villa had created their brand.

That's a bit misleading. You forget to mention that they became "Birmingham City" during the war after previously being known as just "Birmingham" since 1905 (over 100 years ago). So they've been known by the city's name for over a century, nd regardless of this both brands are extremely well established now.

Could you please tell me why any of this is relevant to my point, anyway?

At the agm in a few days time wakey should cut the cr*p over a Sl licence bid. In the absence of substantial financial backing they should stop petending that a club with no ground / a dreadful financial record / huge additional costs for ground rental (for SL) / a persistent over reliance on non UK trained players is in any fit shape to be in SL.

Instead the wakey board should have the guts to declare that they will not waste time and resources bidding for a licence. Instead they should come clean and find a small championship ground and focus on being economically 'viable' in a lower division. if Newmarket happens they can build a meaningful bid for submission in 2014.

Will the wakey bod have the guts and honesty to do this or will they continue with their empty dreams?

Take "wakey" out and substitute practically ANY SL club and your post is realistic.

Wakey are not unique in the scenario you created.

They are in her head

Really?

Why don't you answer these questions.

How many SL clubs have an owner / chairman in an IVA?

How many SL clubs have faced 2 winding up orders from HMRC in just over a year?

How many clubs have regularly had 9/10 overseas players in their squad? - even after a decade in SL?

How many clubs have to leave their ground at the end of 2011? - with no certainty that they will own/ be long term tenants of an alternative ground.

How many clubs who have faced recent winding up orders + with a chairman in an IVA are facing far higher costs (for renting a ground etc) and lower revenues in 2012?

The facts about wakey as a club may be distasteful to some ill informed fans. Hopefully the wakey bod will end this farce and go to the championship with some dignity

Can you tell me what the costs will be and how revenues will be lower. As a concerned Wakefield supporter are you able to supply me the figures and the projections.?

I have posted many times on the costs of renting a stadium like oakwell + offices + shops + training/playing facilities AND why revenues are lost when grounds are rented (advertising / corporate hospitality costs and 'walk up'). I know a few knuckle draggers will want to pretend that none of this is true. If you are one of them..tough.

You are right to be concerned.

Here is a novel idea for you. Instead of spouting your usual anti-wakey crap, why not wait until next week when all should become clear. Also as a point of order, as far as I am aware, they have called a shareholder meeting to specifically discuss the way forward following the announcement of the PI and it is not the AGM.

We have worked hard to get in SL and stay there, so why should we just go out with a whimper cos muppets like you don't happen to like the fact, that unlike your club, we have never finished bottom or been relegated from SL based on on the field performance

How many SL clubs have an owner / chairman in an IVA?

How many SL clubs have faced 2 winding up orders from HMRC in just over a year?

How many clubs have regularly had 9/10 overseas players in their squad? - even after a decade in SL?

How many clubs have to leave their ground at the end of 2011? - with no certainty that they will own/ be long term tenants of an alternative ground.

How many clubs who have faced recent winding up orders + with a chairman in an IVA are facing far higher costs (for renting a ground etc) and lower revenues in 2012





and how many SL clubs survive purely on the benevolence of one persons money, which compensates for the massive losses they would otherwise return?

the standard model for a top rl team now is:

a rented ground, preferably a football stadium because they are nice,regardless of how stupid it looks when 70% empty

a sugar daddy chairman to subsidise a failing club which cannot fund itself.

ideally situated in a randomly chosen outpost of europe.

how many SL clubs own there own ground?

how many play on a full size rl pitch?

where would the clubs be if these wealthy backers for whatever reason pull the plug on their funding?

generally speaking it is reckoned that an average gate of 10k is required to fully fund a SL team up to the salary cap(cant remember which club chairman said that )
also this does not include the bargain season tickets offered at places like bradford and hudds.

i would regard a club that can achieve this as a successfully run and financially viable club. how many of these are there in SL ?

So in summary owning a ground, getting 10K to watch, no subsidised ST's and no wealthy backer is the criteria for a successful club.

Does that mean the likes of Wigan are only half successful as a club-Have you considered areas such as youth development, sponsorship, marketing, sales, community work.......... or is that just peripheral nonsense

As far as SL is concerned it is. If it wasn't Wakey with youth development and a leading community programme would have less to worry about

None as far as I know, his IVA has nothing to do with the club except in your festering anti Wakey mind.



The HMRC dont mess around now they just simply put them in court, it saves arguments and lost time as well you know but choose to ignore because it does not suit your agenda here, btw did'nt anybody tell you they were both paid





Which is it 9 or 10. Your own club along with every other club have had their own share of overseas players as well, something you seem to conveniently overlook in your quest to discredit us, we have 4 quota players like most other clubs



Tell me this how many SL clubs and Championship clubs play in their own stadium.



Well first of all I would ask what has having a chairman in an IVA got to do with how much it will cost to run a club that is renting a ground? will the club be penalised for it or will it be looked on favourably, as for renting a ground perhaps you would like to ask those at Wigin or FC just to name a couple but I suspect you think you know already in your head.



The facts about Wakefield are only distasteful to some ill imformed fans on here because they are fed lies coupled by the clever use of words to hide the bile and anti Wakefield hatred that spews from that cesspit you call a mouth, you should be embarassed to use the word dignity on here because it has never been appropriate where you are concerned so much so you have to keep changing your user name.

succesful, no. sustainable, yes.

Same old same old, another day another version with slightly edited additions, how many more different versions relating to the same thing are you going to post, you should get out more, no really all that housework is beginning to take its toll, something or somebody at Wakey must have really got up your nose, as a matter of interest are you the lovechild of an ex wakey player? with all that bitterness and resentment inside you it does make you wonder

Thats the problem JB , for decades clubs and their owners have put success before sustainability , but history tells us that if you become self sustaining , then success will usually follow

I fully understand why you prefer to speculate about me rather than address the thread topic. You do seem somewhat put out by me...never mind

Fair play to wakey they come up with further flops and c*ckups. All the bragging after getting OPP then the call in / JJP is not coming / The website crashes and so it continues.

Your ignorance and comments about Ted's IVA and RFL rules highlights your lack of understanding. If you cannot keep up then a dignified silence may be better than advertising that you are ill informed..

There you go again, me me me, this threads not about you Jessie







I know its tragic really, we just seem to lurch from one crisis to another. Dont know where it will end, thanks for the concern anyway be sure to keep us imformed if anything else goes wrong





I only know what you tell me so if I am ill imformed about anything to do with Ted you only have yourself to blame

and as for RFL rules I must apologise and try and keep up more, tbh I have not seen this months rule changes'

a relation of mine is a junior coach at wakey and he didn't get paid for 2 months before christmas. a lot of people didn't. he says things are looking really bleak. shame really, i love going there

The rule about the finances of club owners has been in place for years. Your statement about Ted's IVA being nothing to do with the club simply illustrates that you have no grasp of the facts. This is in keeping with many of your posts. Your other type of post relies heavily in insults that would come from a slow 13 year old: " are you the lovechild of an ex wakey player? " That is woeful.

Given the dreadful condition of the club it would be better to give up on the pipedream of SL in 2012-14. This wastes too much time and energy. Instead the club should look for a championship standard ground and prepare to be a stable club in the lower leagues. If Newmarket materialises wakey can then have a crack at SL 2015-17.