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| I'd get someone else in, but I'd still like to see him involved in the backroom staff, having someone involved who coaches in the NRL, and sees the opposition play every week can only benefit the squad, IMO.
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| Quote ="Doom&Gloom Merchant"I don't think McNamara has done too badly in all honesty. This series, he got the tactics for the second test wrong, and IMO should've made one or two changes, but on the whole I think it's been positive.
The England set up seems a whole lot better following the structures he's put in place. The team spirit is as high as I can remember.
Since he took over in Apr-10, our results have got progressively better vs Aus/NZ:
2010 - NZ (lost 24-10)
2010 - Aus (lost 24-14)
2011 - Aus (lost 36-20)
2011 - NZ (Won 28-6)
2011 - Aus (lost 30-icon_cool.gif
2013 - Aus (lost 28-20)
2013 - NZ (lost 20-1icon_cool.gif
2014 - Aus (lost 16-12)
2014 - NZ (lost 16-14)
2015 - NZ (won 26-12)
2015 - NZ (lost 9-2)
2015 - NZ (won 20-14)'"
The word lost seems to crop up a lot but you seem to miss that
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| McNamara out for me.
2013 - lost to Italy, had a poor WC, had a PR nightmare and only a gallant loss to the Kiwis papered over the cracks
2014 - poor against Samoa, bottled it against a weak Australia and beaten by the Kiwis
2015 - squeezed past the Kiwis reserves in the most dour set of Tests I've ever seen
Lots of candidates out there for mine:
McDermott, Wane, Powell
My dream choice would be McNamara's superior...Trent Robinson. Won't happen though.
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| He's done ok, but if you do what you always do you will get what you always got. My worry is the RFL will think an occasional series victory against a weakened NZ is success.
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| Surely any of McDermott, Wane, or Powell would be a big improvement?
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| Not quite sure how England "bottled it" against Australia in 2014, given they were a VR decision away from winning the game?
Results against the "Big Two" have been on a steady upward curve over the last couple of years. Harsh to swing the axe under those circumstances
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| Quote ="richardviking"McNamara out for me.
2013 - lost to Italy, had a poor WC, had a PR nightmare and only a gallant loss to the Kiwis papered over the cracks
2014 - poor against Samoa, bottled it against a weak Australia and beaten by the Kiwis
2015 - squeezed past the Kiwis reserves in the most dour set of Tests I've ever seen
Lots of candidates out there for mine:
McDermott, Wane, Powell
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| Quote ="Andy Gilder"Results against the "Big Two" have been on a steady upward curve over the last couple of years. Harsh to swing the axe under those circumstances'"
In 12 games against NZ & Australia, England have won 3 under Steve McNamara - a win ratio of 25% against the top international teams.
2 of those victories came this year against an NZ team missing their first choice half backs (Johnson & Foran), captain (Mannering), main attacking threat (Vatuvei) & their biggest go forward (Warea-Hargeaves). Would NZ have won this test series if all those had played...we will never know but an educated guess is that they probably would have done
It seems to me as though a 2-1 series win against an under-strength Kiwi team has "papered over the cracks" for a lot of people in terms of McNamara's coaching abilities when the reality is once again in the World Cup 2 years away we will be no nearer beating Australia or NZ with him as coach when it matters.
The main issue is who to replace him with, as unfortunately I dont think anybody is available currently who would realistically be interested in the job who is any better than McNamara (assuming Powell, McDermott, wane etc are unable to do it alongside their club head coach role)
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| McNamara out.
He is a poor coach and a narrow win against nz second string does not alter that.
He is a part time coach in Australia.
I would rather a part time coach in England .
Powell wane Anderson McDermott all have better coaching records than McNamara .
Get rid now for the good of RL on this country
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| I'm amazed how often Wane's name comes up on here as a suggestion for England coach. He's got the 2nd easiest head coach job in SL and hasn't been particularly successful. Is he tactically astute? He seems very passionate and hard-working but I wouldn't say he was an improvement on Steve Mc. Powell or McDermott or no change for me.
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| Of course, in the interests of a balanced assessment, you have to look at both sides and provide relative comparisons.
Quote ="wakey_saint"In 12 games against NZ & Australia, England have won 3 under Steve McNamara - a win ratio of 25% against the top international teams.
=#FF0000What was England's win ratio for the years prior to Steve McNamara?
=#FF0000Have the margins of defeat got smaller or larger?
2 of those victories came this year against an NZ team missing their first choice half backs (Johnson & Foran), captain (Mannering), main attacking threat (Vatuvei) & their biggest go forward (Warea-Hargeaves). Would NZ have won this test series if all those had played...we will never know but an educated guess is that they probably would have done
=#FF0000England didn't have any injuries then?
It seems to me as though a 2-1 series win against an under-strength Kiwi team has "papered over the cracks" for a lot of people in terms of McNamara's coaching abilities when the reality is once again in the World Cup 2 years away we will be no nearer beating Australia or NZ with him as coach when it matters.
=#FF0000Except it mattered last Saturday, and we won.
The main issue is who to replace him with, as unfortunately I dont think anybody is available currently who would realistically be interested in the job who is any better than McNamara (assuming Powell, McDermott, wane etc are unable to do it alongside their club head coach role)'"
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| Been England coach is the easiest job in the world there's only 2 teams that can beat and as long as you trade wins with one of them and beat the other one the odd time your laughing
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| given macnamara the benefit of the doubt since hes been in charge and seen improvement since hes been in charge
but the way we are playing is awful to watch, think we could do play alot better than we do with tactics
too boring, the first 2 tests certainly were
he did win the series though so you could say he deserves another contract, for me id like to see change for the style of rugby we play to improve
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| Quote ="Doom&Gloom Merchant"Of course, in the interests of a balanced assessment, you have to look at both sides and provide relative comparisons.
Quote ="Doom&Gloom Merchant"What was England's win ratio for the years prior to Steve McNamara?'"
In the 5 years prior to McNamara taking over (2006 - 2010), England/GB played 12 games against Australia & NZ, winning 5 & Losing 7 so a better win ratio over the same amount of games
Quote ="Doom&Gloom Merchant"Have the margins of defeat got smaller or larger?'"
Does it matter...a loss is a loss regardless of whether it is by 1 or 100
Quote ="Doom&Gloom Merchant"England didn't have any injuries then?'"
As far as established England players go, Jack Reed, George Burgess & Sam Tomkins (who was included in the squad whilst injured until March - a bad coaching decision in itself) are the only players missing through injury...not really the same as missing the captain, both half backs, record try scorer, main prop forward (and a couple of other established internationals such as Leuluai, Taumalolo)
Quote ="Doom&Gloom Merchant"Except it mattered last Saturday, and we won. '" '"
It didnt really matter in comparison to a Four Nations/World Cup competition win though...we won the same trophy back in 2007 and since then NZ have gone on to win a World Cup & 4 Nations and we havent got anywhere near them or Australia since. Yes it is nice to win a series, but in the bigger picture it doesnt rank with the other tournaments we play in
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| If McNamara stays on for the next World Cup it will be a travesty. Even with the quality of players at his disposal his team still spouts out dire, bland rugby. The poor 2013 World Cup should've been the end as his reign.
But because we sneaked a 2-1 series against only a second string NZ team, people want to see him in the job.
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| People talking about the record prior to Macnamara are ignoring the quality he has been able to choose from. Especially in the backs which has always been a problem area. We also have more players playing in the NRL now than I can ever remember. So yeah, I think with the right coach we could and should be playing a lot better.
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| McNamara has to go he is approved poor coach, we have improved in spite of him, the real test is 4 nations next year which under him I am convinced we will fall short.
Mcdermot and Powell dual head coaches for me.
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| Isn't McDermott the USA coach?
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| McDermott and Powell is a good shout.
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| Good god no. I'm not averse to either as England coach but you can't have dual head coaches.
Think Highlander. There can be only one.
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| We need a new coach, but will the candidates mentioned want the job?
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| Quote ="Hopie"We need a new coach, but will the candidates mentioned want the job?'"
Not if it's full time but may be if it's part time.
We only have a few games a year so part time should be ok, imo.
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| People talk as though the national coach actually does coaching - the reality is they shouldn't have to. Phil Gould said that he didn't do anything except work on a few combinations and moves for Origin, as the players at that level all knew their roles and where to play. International coaches would be the same.
We look to have a decent squad in the makings, especially with Burgess back, but the general clunkiness of the play is as much the responsibility of the players as the coach.
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| But the coach is responsible for the style in which we play.
The basic gameplan has to come from the coach.
Whether it all fits together nicely is, I agree, more out of his hands. And the "lack of cohesion" for want of a better word, is partly why I want England to play more games every year even if they're only against 2nd tier nations.
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| Quote ="Hopie"We need a new coach, but will the candidates mentioned want the job?'"
No, which is why McNamara got the gig in the first place.
Unless the role of head coach is allowed to be dual coaching job, we will only get "failed" coaches taking the job and although we all want England to some day beat the Aussies, we just dough fixtures to make it demanding enough for anyone to leave their position as a top SL or NRL coach to take it on.
Even when Tony Smith was in charge, who most would rate above McNamara, he very quickly split his role, as head coach, with the position of Warrington head coach.
Unless we can miraculously ramp up the International programme, it's likely to stay as a "part time" gig.
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