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| Quote ="The Devil's Advocate"Hey, I know Lee Smith is no genius.
The manner of how Leeds got into the position may have had some luck involved, but the try wasn’t a fluke, an English International centre missed a crucial tackle.'"
So a player of his calibre missing a tackle in that situation is lucky for Leeds.
Maybe calling the try a complete fluke is over the top, but it was most certainly lucky and without that luck Leeds wouldn't be in the semi finals now.
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| Quote ="craigizzard"You'd be best off stepping away from the Internet for a few hours. You're just embarrassing yourself.'"
I'm not embarrassed.
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| Quote ="Ewwenorfolk"A miss is a miss though.'"
And a game winning try in the last minute is a fluke. Guessing Wide to West was pure fluke as well? Even though it was a truly exceptional try to win a game in the last minute. It most definitely wasn't planned
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| Quote ="El Pac Carnegie"And a game winning try in the last minute is a fluke. Guessing Wide to West was pure fluke as well? Even though it was a truly exceptional try to win a game in the last minute. It most definitely wasn't planned'"
There is always some element of luck to score in the last minute!!
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| Quote ="Ewwenorfolk"A miss is a miss though.'"
But that only applies to kicks, not to tackles?
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| Me in Club
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Me in a Bulls t-shirt so this comment is rugby league related
Now I’m off to get dolled up for a cocktail party in Sheffield. If Nick Clegg happens to be they he deserves a punch!
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| ewennorfolk if your wore a hat with a huge neon sign on saying 'I am a massive cock' for the next week, you still wouldn't look as much as a cock as you have done over the past few pages.
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| Quote ="Lord God Jose Mourinho"But that only applies to kicks, not to tackles?'"
Considering the conditions, it wasn't unlucky to miss those kicks, it was very hard.
It was unlucky for an international centre to miss a tackle in that situation.
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| Quote ="Ewwenorfolk"There is always some element of luck to score in the last minute!!'"
There's no more luck in scoring in the last minute as in any other minute of the match. In fact scoring after the 75 minute mark is probably more common place than other time periods I'd guess, due to fatigue etc. I'd get your point if it had been a kick that hit the cross bar before rebounding off JJB's chin into Smith's hands but it was a run on the angle to the line.
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| Quote ="morpeth rhino"ewennorfolk if your wore a hat with a huge neon sign on saying 'I am a massive cock' for the next week, you still wouldn't look as much as a cock as you have done over the past few pages.'"
Firstly, who is ewennorfolk??
Secondly, why would I be bothered what some people on the internet think of me?
Lastly, that post is just a little bit childish? If somebody bought you a hat with that on, you can't try and pass it on to me.
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| Quote ="Ewwenorfolk"So a player of his calibre missing a tackle in that situation is lucky for Leeds.
Maybe calling the try a complete fluke is over the top, but it was most certainly lucky and without that luck Leeds wouldn't be in the semi finals now.'"
If you’re going to assume that missing tackles is ‘luck’ to the opponents, then, there’s a lot of lucky tries scored.
All I hope is that Bradford don’t loose to Leeds in the Semi’s in a similar manner, your head will probably explode.
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| Quote ="El Pac Carnegie"There's no more luck in scoring in the last minute as in any other minute of the match. In fact scoring after the 75 minute mark is probably more common place than other time periods I'd guess, due to fatigue etc. I'd get your point if it had been a kick that hit the cross bar before rebounding off JJB's chin into Smith's hands but it was a run on the angle to the line.'"
It would be more likely to bounce off Coley's chin tbf.
You don't think that was lucky for Leeds to win by scoring in the last minute? When they'd never had the lead up until then??
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| Quote ="Ewwenorfolk"Considering the conditions, it wasn't unlucky to miss those kicks, it was very hard.
It was unlucky for an international centre to miss a tackle in that situation.'"
Ah so the conditions are a factor when it regards Wigan but not Leeds. I think I'm getting where your coming from. I mean Leeds didn't play in those exact same conditions and manage to defend their line for the 80 did they? Oh...
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| For once, Damo's posts in a thread are less moronic than someone else's!
Comedy gold some of this stuff. Surely some sort of wind-up?!?
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| Quote ="The Devil's Advocate"If you’re going to assume that missing tackles is ‘luck’ to the opponents, then, there’s a lot of lucky tries scored.
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It's dependant on the circumstances.
If a team plays poorly and is consistently missing tackles for 80 minutes, then its not going to be unlucky missing another in the last minute.
If a team stands solid for 79 minutes then misses a tackle near the tryline it is lucky.
You must see that the 2nd scenario is unluckier than the first??
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| Quote ="Ewwenorfolk"It would be more likely to bounce off Coley's chin tbf.
You don't think that was lucky for Leeds to win by scoring in the last minute? When they'd never had the lead up until then??'"
I think we kept going and got a winning try like a good team does. Wigan kept going like the good team they are but they made a mistake when it mattered. That isn't luck. That's down to them been out on their feet, not luck.
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| Quote ="El Pac Carnegie"Ah so the conditions are a factor when it regards Wigan but not Leeds. I think I'm getting where your coming from. I mean Leeds didn't play in those exact same conditions and manage to defend their line for the 80 did they? Oh...'"
They probably wouldn't have if JP hadn't taken Tomkins head off.
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| Quote ="Ewwenorfolk"He didn't step Gleeson
Leeds never planned that piece of play full stop. It came about from a missed tackle which luckily gave Leeds the win.'"
Well if Wigan have a player on their roster (and a GB International at that) that will let an opposition player walk right over him, who is not running fast, or intending to go for the try line, or making any attempt to shift direction with his feet, then they deserve to lose in such a manner
Man, you are stinking from this one. I think the last time I got so angry after a team I don't even support lost was when Bradford were denied a try in the last minute of a game against Leigh in about 1993 which would have meant they would have won the title. Funny that innit!
Go to bed Old Lad, and then cringe in the morning when you have to come back on here!
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| Quote ="Dave Lister"I bet Bradford supporters are cringing at Ewwenorfolk. What an embarrassment
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Correct. *Cringe Cringe*
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| Quote ="El Pac Carnegie"I think we kept going and got a winning try like a good team does. Wigan kept going like the good team they are but they made a mistake when it mattered. That isn't luck. That's down to them been out on their feet, not luck.'"
I have no doubt Leeds have more chance of doing something like this than any other team. You're the champions, the team to beat, the best in the competition. With that comes experience and composure which also contributes to the try. It still has to have an element of luck to score like that in the last minute considering the defences throughout the match.
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| Quote ="RescuedBlue"Man, you are stinking from this one. I think the last time I got so angry after a team I don't even support lost was when Bradford were denied a try in the last minute of a game against Leigh in about 1993 which would have meant they would have won the title. Funny that innit!
Go to bed Old Lad, and then cringe in the morning when you have to come back on here!'"
I'd rather have seen Wigan win. But i'm not heartbroken to see Leeds go through, I just reckon Wigan would have deserved it more and can be disappointed in the manner they lost.
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| Quote ="Ewwenorfolk"I'd rather have seen Wigan win. But i'm not heartbroken to see Leeds go through, I just reckon Wigan would have deserved it more and can be disappointed in the manner they lost.'"
Just out of interest, do you have the stats of the number of clean breaks made by both sides today?
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| Quote ="RescuedBlue"Just out of interest, do you have the stats of the number of clean breaks made by both sides today?'"
I was gunna ask that. We were shocking with ball in hand but stood up to be counted in defence. If it was flukey that we scored in the last I assume it was flukey for Wigan that Delaney had his brain fart 5 minutes earlier and tossed it into the crowd.
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| Quote ="RescuedBlue"Just out of interest, do you have the stats of the number of clean breaks made by both sides today?'"
No.
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| Quote ="Ewwenorfolk"It's dependant on the circumstances.
If a team plays poorly and is consistently missing tackles for 80 minutes, then its not going to be unlucky missing another in the last minute.
If a team stands solid for 79 minutes then misses a tackle near the tryline it is lucky.
You must see that the 2nd scenario is unluckier than the first??'"
No.
Missing a tackle at whatever point in the game isn’t unlucky, just a poor tackle.
Jeez, I thought I didn’t like Leeds. But if there was a league table, you would be two divisions above me.
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