McNamara keeps the role as far as I'm concerned

It depends what the alternatives are and whether the job will remain a full time post. I'm not a fan of McNamara as a coach, but some of the personal insults from fans and the media has been a bit below the belt at times, and he's dealt with it all admirably at times. He's laid the foundations of what could be a very successful England side, and put structures in place that should remain in place for the future.

Personally I can't see many top coaches applying for the position when the majority of the role won't actually involve coaching.

yeah don't like him, but no one else is out their at the moment. So right now I'd stick with him.

Oh dear have i hit a nerve. Another poster who cannot answer the points and yet goes onto petty insults.

I have played the game and got as far as a professional trial with Carlisle who considered offering me a contract.

( i accept that this was not at a very high level so would not use it as any sort of factor that gives me any RL credibility ) but i have played)

Anyway you ****wit get back to sticking your head in the sand

i think he should stay and pinch a living like he did as a below average player , at least then this imbecile will not be put in charge of any super league side again

I find this post ofensive in the extreme, While we can argue at some of his choices in the main he managed to get the best out of what we had, the team came together & gave it all they had for him & us spectators. It was not quiet good enough today but he has restored some pride in the International side. Most of that team will be around for the next ten years & In my opinion he should lead them. To sugest he was a below average player is a slur on him & some of the rugby league's best coaches who recruited him & made him their club captain (The Smith brothers). I have followed his progress from a little lad in the youth leagues all the way to coach of his country & the only thing negative I can find is his handling of his interviews with the media (& that he played for the wrong team in Hull).

Really impressed with how England did today.

Players moving to the NRL are improving greatly.

The RL international calender needs to be expanded, then we need to spend money on attracting a great coach.

McNamara, no matter how much ppl defend him, played a must win knock out game with 16 men today.

That is one of quite a few failures, so for me I hope he goes.

I find McNamara interviews very badly. He is not likeable. His record as a coach is up for discussion. I think it is a bit tough, though, to hold him personally responsible for missed conversions, high tackles, and poor decision making by tired players about pushing forward too quickly from the defensive line. In all honesty, who is a REALISTIC England coach to take us forward?

would you like him at rovers ?

No.

1) Selection - over his tenure has been weak, with many players selected long after their form demands it (Wilkin, Morley, JJB). In addition, if McNamara is to be believed, then Kevin Sinfield and Rangi Chase are the best British halves. Just not true, as Widdop proved today. It was criminal that he kept selecting Chase ahead of Widdop, and even the average RL fan knew that. Widdop showed him why today.

2) Man-management - coaching is about managing your players. McNamara has not only lost 20% of his squad to disciplinary suspensions/removals, but also managed to have such a personality clash with Brough that the actual best form English halfback chose to play for Scotland. McNamara seems to me to be someone who is not good at the softer people-skills, and unfortunately, those are pretty important.

3) Tactics - today England showed some good intention in attack, although the execution was often not quite sharp enough, which is why we didn't score more despite having bucketloads of possession and territory. But in previous games, there's been little evidence of offence, and that suggests to me that the improved attack had more to do with Widdop than with McNamara. Substitutions are part of the issue too, and today, we played 70-odd minutes with effectively 15 men. No wonder the defensive line was knackered at the end. It is bizarre to have an unused substitute in an international game. Not known anything so mental since Andy Goodway was coach.

McNamara has had his chance. He gave it his best shot. It didn't work. We must not reward failure.

The RFL need to bite the bullet, make the position part-time, and attract the best club coaches, rather than the best of the coaches who can't get a club job.

How would moving the coaching role from full time to part time improve englands chances?

I don't know, but apparently making the england coaching role an after thought at the end of the club season is the way to go!

Because it would open up the field to club coaches. We need to be honest : the best coaches in the world are coaching good clubs in either the NRL or SL. They won't do an international full-time job because (a) it'll never pay the same and (b) it's boring when there are only a couple of matches a year and you barely get to see your players.

There's nothing inherent in the international coach's job which requires it to be fulltime. Sure, it might be good to have their club release them for two weeks leading up to an international (blood the assistant coach), and this might require compensation of some sort from the RFL, but it's certainly feasible.

I'm actually thinking it's not a bad idea to keep him on, I think we need to keep the full time thing going, you can criticise his selections all you want but the whole set up had moved massively IMO, the train on squad, the regular meet ups, the knights games are all a massive step forward.

People forget the dross that was served up in 2008 that was embarrassing and the coach was a very well respected coach who never got as much stick as SM who has done a far better job IMO

Lots of people in HUll would like him at rovers

What about bias and conflict of interest?

We need to keep it full time, putting it back to part time is a step backward.

Why would any of that have to change if McNamara was replaced

What makes you think any top class coaches would want to coach england?

Sure, If wayne bennet said he would do it, then what the hell, make it part time.

But that aint happening.

Exactly.

It wouldn't as long as it's full time, but you have to credit SM for implementing these things in the first place.

Keeping a crap coach in place is TWO steps backward.

Can you show me one bit of evidence that McNamara is a good coach .
Bradford fans were delighted when he left them. Not good enough for Bradford not good enough for England.

( oh yes i forgot he took England to a world cup semi final ).

Do you think Tony Smith is a good coach? What about Brian Noble?

do you think paul anderson is a good coach?

Was Sinfield in great form before the tournament? O'Loughlin? Widdopp? You can't pick and choose the form argument - either he picks on form alone, in which case neither halfback should have been in the team today (Widdopp not even in the squad), or he goes for what he considers the best team regardless of form.

Brough's non-selection is entirely down to him, so if you want to have a go at anybody for his non-selection, pick on him first, not McNamara. If Brough were not selected and then chose Scotland it would be different, but it was his choice.

With respect to the discipline, I don't remember it being an issue under McNamara before. In any event its like blaming the police for not stopping street violence. The people responsible were the players themselves, nobody else. Hardaker and Hock (and if correct that Chase was booted from the squad him too) were the ones who broke rules. Not McNamara. They are the ones who let themselves, their teammates and the fans down. Not McNamara.

I agree there are issues with England's structure in both attack and defence, but the main problem is lack of genuine quality in all positions and the team being unable to play with full intensity for 80 minutes. That's partly the gap between SL and NRL. Changing coaches can't fix that.

I'm not sure McNamara is the best coach, but if you'd said a 28-20 loss to Australia and a last-minute loss to NZ were the results of our big games against them before the tournament, I'd have taken that any time. England are always going to struggle to get 17 players of real quality and experience compared to Aus and NZ. Saying that narrowly failing to beat them suggests incompetent coaching is ridiculous.

What I do think would help England is getting someone like Wayne Bennett to help at the next tournament. Not in team selection or coaching, but just as for NZ at the last world Cup helping players to focus and believe in themselves. That's certainly a problem for them against Australia, if not NZ.

and in respect of Smith and Nobby

Yes they have shown a lot of ability and gained success.
Anderson has a long way to get near the record of the other two and he may have to leave the Giants to get there.

And despite any comments you wish to throw out about their lack of International success i reckon that with the same number of Aussie based English players, the same resources as McNamara has had the same amount of preparation time I reckon all three would have done a better job in this WC.

( i would even throw in Daryl Powell as a good option).