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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"Is it exactly the same thing?
Is it a deliberate attempt to expedite a circumvention of the quota rules because to previous attempts to circumvent the quota have failed?'"
There you go again, spouting the same tripe when you've already admitted you can't actually state what rule we have broken or "circumvented" as you like to put it.
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| Quote ="Dudley"There you go again, spouting the same tripe when you've already admitted you can't actually state what rule we have broken or "circumvented" as you like to put it.'"
i have done it plenty of times. The rule which has been circumvented is the quota, the rule which will be broken (with dispensation) is rule C1:4:7, its not my fault if you cant read.
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| C1:4:7 An "overseas Player" who is removed from a Club Register during the Season cannot then be placed back on that Club's Register in that same Season save with the permission of the Board.
If the board give permission the rule has not been broken. It seems Dudley isn't the only one who has difficulty reading.
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| Still waiting Smokey!
But then seeing as no rules have been broken it could be a long wait.
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| Quote ="Bobbin' Along"C1:4:7 An "overseas Player" who is removed from a Club Register during the Season cannot then be placed back on that Club's Register in that same Season save with the permission of the Board.
If the board give permission the rule has not been broken. It seems Dudley isn't the only one who has difficulty reading.'"
"Hull KR have sought dispensation to be able to re-register Dobson later in the season, it has been indicated to them that it will be granted, subject to the usual regulations being met at the time.
"A number of operational rules allow for dispensation to be granted whilst others are absolute and non-discretionary. With the rules, where dispensation may be applied, each case is judged on its own merits."
If the rule isnt being broken why have HKA sought dispensation?
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| Quote ="Dudley"Still waiting Smokey!
But then seeing as no rules have been broken it could be a long wait.'"
Rules have been clearly broken, they just happen to be on planet Smokey, not earth.
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| If Michael Dobson is allowed by the board to re-register then Rule C1:4:7 has been applied to the letter.
It couldn't be any more straightforward.
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| Quote ="Bobbin' Along"If Michael Dobson is allowed by the board to re-register then Rule C1:4:7 has been applied to the letter.
It couldn't be any more straightforward.'"
So why are HKA seeking dispensation if not to break rule C1:4:7, what is the dispensation sought by HKA for?
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"So why are HKA seeking dispensation if not to break rule C1:4:7, what is the dispensation sought by HKA for?'"
We haven't broken it
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| Rovers have simply requested that the board allow Michael Dobson to re-register.
If the board deny this request the rule has been applied to the letter and Rovers would then have a serious problem. This is unlikely as it has been indicated to Rovers that permission will be granted.
If the board allow this request the rule has been applied to the letter.
I know you're not stupid Smokey. I also know you're too obtuse to admit that black is black despite any evidence put before you.
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| Quote ="Bobbin' Along"Rovers have simply requested that the board allow Michael Dobson to re-register.
If the board deny this request the rule has been applied to the letter and Rovers would then have a serious problem. This is unlikely as it has been indicated to Rovers that permission will be granted.
If the board allow this request the rule has been applied to the letter.
I know you're not stupid Smokey. I also know you're too obtuse to admit that black is black despite any evidence put before you.'"
im not arguing they will have done so, simply the obvious point that being granted dispensation to be allowed to break a rule, is breaking a rule with dispensation, and that simply a rule allowing for dispensation to break it is still broken if dispensation to break it is allowed. It is a fairly self-evident point.
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"So why are HKA seeking dispensation if not to break rule C1:4:7, what is the dispensation sought by HKA for?'" Even if we are allowed to re-register Dobson we still wont have broken the rule as we will have been allowed to do so by the board just as the rule states.
You can cry and moan all you like but it is there in black and white sweetheart.
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"im not arguing they will have done so, simply the obvious point that being granted dispensation to be allowed to break a rule, is breaking a rule with dispensation, and that simply a rule allowing for dispensation to break it is still broken if dispensation to break it is allowed. It is a fairly self-evident point.'" We wont have broken the rule as the scope for a board decision is already written in the rule.
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| Quote ="Roverswall"We wont have broken the rule as the scope for a board decision is already written in the rule.'"
A board decision to grant dispensation from it. Which means it isnt being followed.
If HKA werent breaking it, they wouldnt need dispensation from it. Simply because it allows for dispensation doesnt mean that if dispensation is granted it isnt broken.
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| TBH this is all caught up in the language. The decision being sought (eventually) is not a dispensation or a "breaking of the rule", as it is foreseen in the specific clause. If the board refuse and Dobson plays/trains/whatever, then the rule will have been broken.
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"Waffle, Waffle, Waffle.
Translated as ' I know I am making myself look a tw@ but I can't help myself as I can't ever admit I am talking out of may anus even when its clear to a blind man that I am''"
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| Quote ="Chris28"TBH this is all caught up in the language. The decision being sought (eventually) is not a dispensation or a "breaking of the rule", as it is foreseen in the specific clause. If the board refuse and Dobson plays/trains/whatever, then the rule will have been broken.'" That is totally correct Chris would you like try and explain that to our one eyed Leeds friend.
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| Don't bother. He's well aware of it but will never admit it. I'm really looking forward to the day Leeds come to use this rule.
I'm sure it will then have been correctly applied (as everyone not on Planet Smokey knows it to have been this time).
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| Quote ="Bobbin' Along"Don't bother. He's well aware of it but will never admit it. I'm really looking forward to the day Leeds come to use this rule.
I'm sure it will then have been correctly applied (as everyone not on Planet Smokey knows it to have been this time).'" Oh we all know that will be the case.
I just find it funny that even FC fans agree but yet Mr one eyed Leeds fan who in the past has said he is a solicitor/lawyer can't see it.
I hope to god I got that wrong and that he isn't a solicitor/lawyer or it will prove beyond any doubt that or legal system has gone down the toilet.
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| Quote ="Roverswall"Oh we all know that will be the case.
I just find it funny that even FC fans agree but yet Mr one eyed Leeds fan who in the past has said he is a solicitor/lawyer can't see it.
I hope to god I got that wrong and that he isn't a solicitor/lawyer or it will prove beyond any doubt that or legal system has gone down the toilet.'"
Hey don't include all Leeds fans! We don't all have the same hatred towards Hull KR as Smokey does! ![Smile icon_smile.gif](//www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//icon_smile.gif) In fact most of us quite like Hull KR since you keep beating Hull FC! ![Wink icon_wink.gif](//www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//icon_wink.gif)
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| Quote ="Chris28"TBH this is all caught up in the language. The decision being sought (eventually) is not a dispensation or a "breaking of the rule", as it is foreseen in the specific clause. If the board refuse and Dobson plays/trains/whatever, then the rule will have been broken.'"
DING! DING! DING! DING! DING!
18 bloody pages, and finally someone shows that plank from Leeds exactly how the rule might be broken, but in fact never will be.
Move along now, nothing to see here............. ![Very Happy icon_biggrin.gif](//www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//icon_biggrin.gif)
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| Quote ="Chris28"TBH this is all caught up in the language. The decision being sought (eventually) is not a dispensation or a "breaking of the rule", as it is foreseen in the specific clause. If the board refuse and Dobson plays/trains/whatever, then the rule will have been broken.'"
It is a dispensation, the rfl have told us so.
They have also told the clause within the rule to allow dispensation is there to differentiate the rule from other rules within the OR which dont allow for dispensation.
The decision being sought is a dispensation
“Hull KR have sought dispensation to be able to re-register Dobson later in the season, it has been indicated to them that it will be granted, subject to the usual regulations being met at the time.
“A number of operational rules allow for dispensation to be granted whilst others are absolute and non-discretionary. With the rules, where dispensation may be applied, each case is judged on its own merits."
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| Quote ="Roverswall"I think HKA are wrong to be stretching the quota and applying for dispensation to sneak in another overseas player. We are in the RL heartlands, have a strong amateur game on our doorstep and are within easy commuting distance from most SL clubs. We could easily bring through some young british players from our amateur game, other SL clubs academies, the lower leagues and any other areas where players are found. It is a lazy short-termist outlook for us to rely so heavily on overseas players and highlights our failures in scouting and coaching.'"
Quite right young man.
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"Quite right young man.'" Like I said Waffle,Waffle,Waffle.
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"It is a dispensation, the rfl have told us so.
They have also told the clause within the rule to allow dispensation is there to differentiate the rule from other rules within the OR which dont allow for dispensation.
The decision being sought is a dispensation
“Hull KR have sought dispensation to be able to re-register Dobson later in the season, it has been indicated to them that it will be granted, subject to the usual regulations being met at the time.
“A number of operational rules allow for dispensation to be granted whilst others are absolute and non-discretionary. With the rules, where dispensation may be applied, each case is judged on its own merits."'"
Or its an agreement, or an approval to proceed, or any other way of saying the Rovers get the benefit of something in the rules. I have no love for Rovers (and will be delighted if this goes pear shaped) but they're not breaking any rules on this. Yet.
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