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| Quote ="IR80"There isn't the apetite for SL in Bradford, and I very much prefer a weekend in Perpignan to an afternoon in the s41t4ol3 that is Currystan.'"
Ah but it's the place to be for a curry.
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| Quote ="little wayne69"Ah but it's the place to be for a curry.'"
I'd disagree, better places in Birmigham, Manchester and London.
It was a crass description, and if anyone took offense I apologise, it was very much t.i.c.
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| Quote ="Donnyman"There's no such thing as debate with you let alone facts. Toulouse have no money, Toulouse's fan base was laid bare in the play off's with only 1,000 fans a game and Toulouse don't develop pro/SL quality players in any number at all, the odd few go to Catalans as they can't develop many as the French grass roots game is dying and so on to.....'"
The small playoff crowds were played at the obscure home stadium that they now have. Next season they will play at the better known and more capacious Stade Ernest Wallon.
Toulouse showed what is possible from them in Super League with the 6000+ crowd at Stade Ernest Wallon in 2019 against the Toronto team. Soft core French rugby fans will come to Ernest Wallon, especially if their home town club is playing against a recognised international team at a professional level.
Once they are promoted to Super League Toulouse will be able to attract sponsors and they will have money.
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| Quote ="JEAN CAPDOUZE"The small playoff crowds were played at the obscure home stadium that they now have. Next season they will play at the better known and more capacious Stade Ernest Wallon.
Toulouse showed what is possible from them in Super League with the 6000+ crowd at Stade Ernest Wallon in 2019 against the Toronto team. Soft core French rugby fans will come to Ernest Wallon, especially if their home town club is playing against a recognised international team at a professional level.
Once they are promoted to Super League Toulouse will be able to attract sponsors and they will have money.'" most of us will be deceased by then
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| Quote ="supersport"most of us will be deceased by then
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You probably will be deceased because you have only managed one post on this forum throughout the course of your life. I fear that you don't have the energy to stay alive for the next year or two.
Toulouse should get promoted to Super League by the end of this year, but the end of 2021 at the latest. If you fear that you won't live that long, please get in touch with me and I will try to refer you to a good doctor in France, with the object of increasing your longevity.
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| Quote ="JEAN CAPDOUZE"The small playoff crowds were played at the obscure home stadium .'"
The definition of obscure here is [u"not known to many people[/u" so somehow your excusing the 1,000 crowds on the basis they didn't know where the ground was.
It's far more likely they may have had to pay to get in and didn't fancy it, it also looks very much like Toulouse may not have been not telling the truth about the crowd at at that TWP game which is a tactic TWP use regularly to pretend they are glamorous and people are falling over themselves at $$200 a ticket to see them. That tactic could not work against English clubs whose fans visiting Toulouse have commented that the crowds on the day were nowhere near the published crowds. When playing TWP there's no away fans to be witness to the poor crowds.
I think I know where they went wrong! They didn't put a free entry wine festival on .
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| Quote ="JEAN CAPDOUZE"You probably will be deceased because you have only managed one post on this forum throughout the course of your life. I fear that you don't have the energy to stay alive for the next year or two.
[uToulouse should get promoted to Super League by the end of this year, but the end of 2021 at the latest.[/u If you fear that you won't live that long, please get in touch with me and I will try to refer you to a good doctor in France, with the object of increasing your longevity.'"
Shouldn't that read could get promoted by the end of the year Walter, that would make the rest of your sentence but the end of 2021 at the latest much more credible, apologies in advance for any grammatical errors.
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| Quote ="little wayne69"Shouldn't that read could get promoted by the end of the year Walter, that would make the rest of your sentence but the end of 2021 at the latest much more credible, apologies in advance for any grammatical errors.'"
The promotion issue is interesting Wayne. Superleague wanted to block TWP's promotion as they don't want them, nor do the bulk of fans here, but the current TV contract is based on a system that requires promotion and relegation to happen through the MPG game. That system is contractual, and all clubs signed up to accept it after it was voted for 7-6 by SL clubs. If Toulouse were to win the MPG at the end of this year then contractually and legally they would enter Superleague 2021.
The SL clubs clearly want Mr. Beaumont to back Leigh this year so they will go up and we won't have another useless overseas club that has few fans, develops no SL quality players and won't get us a French TV deal. Beaumont hung back last season but will be all out to get Leigh promoted rather than TO with the blessing of SL bosses. If not a quarter of Superleague could be non English, non productive in terms of developing players, and blocking clubs SKY and their viewers would prefer to be on TV like Leigh, Bradford and Widnes. This is a horrible mess caused by the war between RFL and SL at the last TV contract. The RFL have now being squashed/ruined and 2022 Superleague will be fully in charge. They will seek to satisfy SKY with as English a league as they can, which is what SKY want, and this may even mean the end for Les Catalans if that league is only 10 clubs on a reduced contract value.
Again check on TWP's recruitment, all they've really done is sign up the same team for this year and next if they stay up, and hidden that by the marquee signing, Check out Ottawa and New York both postponing entry to the RFL. Neither doing anything to develop their clubs. Maybe check out Toulouse coming clean on their actual attendances.
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| Quote ="Donnyman"The promotion issue is interesting Wayne. Superleague wanted to block TWP's promotion as they don't want them,:'"
You keep saying this then offer no evidence what so ever.
I look forward to the direct quotes from super league executives.
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| Quote ="Steph Curry"You keep saying this then offer no evidence what so ever.
I look forward to the direct quotes from super league executives.
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I’m surprised you know what evidence means.
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| Quote ="Steph Curry"You keep saying this then offer no evidence what so ever.
I look forward to the direct quotes from super league executives.
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I look forward to you countering his opinion with one of your own instead of trying to disrupt any meaningful debate on here regarding Toronto or any other pie in the sky expansion club, at least Donnyman puts forward explanations why in his opinion it won't work, whereas you and Walter refuse to debate the subject and simply use it as an excuse to use it as an exercise to practice your less than subtle wind up techniques.
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| Quote ="Donnyman"Again check on TWP's recruitment, all they've really done is sign up the same team for this year and next if they stay up, and hidden that by the marquee signing, Check out Ottawa and New York both postponing entry to the RFL. Neither doing anything to develop their clubs. Maybe check out Toulouse coming clean on their actual attendances.
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What do you propose TW actually need to add to their squad? Since they've come up (and remember, the narrative for so long has been about how hard it is for promoted clubs to recruit players), they've added three players - one a marquee signing by the very definition of the word, whilst another is a two-time Grand Final winner. What else do you suggest they need to add to a squad that looks competitive with most in Super League?
It seems that on that point, you're just looking for critique for the sake of it - which is why I said in the previous thread that, whilst there are a lot of valid questions of TW, some of the criticism is just rancorous - chippy, snippy and bitter.
Leigh, Widnes and Bradford are where they are because that is where they deserve to be. Widnes and Bradford are financial basketcases. Leigh are owned by a man who made public threats to drag the club under unless a number of players allowed him to renege on contracts that were agreed in good faith. If that's the sort of company that cetain SL chairmen want to keep, all power to them.
The whole argument that the TV would be better with Bradford, Widnes and Leigh in SL seems to be based on this idea that there is a huge amount of latent demand from people who, despite being able to subscribe to Sky Sports, currently don't because those three clubs aren't in it. To suggest that those three clubs could make any difference to Sky's subscriber base to influence a TV deal by any more than relative sofa change is laughable.
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| Quote ="little wayne69"I look forward to you countering his opinion with one of your own instead of trying to disrupt any meaningful debate on here regarding Toronto or any other pie in the sky expansion club, at least Donnyman puts forward explanations why in his opinion it won't work, whereas you and Walter refuse to debate the subject and simply use it as an excuse to use it as an exercise to practice your less than subtle wind up techniques.'"
The fact I am questioning him is exactly what debate means lol
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| Quote ="JEAN CAPDOUZE"You probably will be deceased because you have only managed one post on this forum throughout the course of your life. I fear that you don't have the energy to stay alive for the next year or two.
Toulouse should get promoted to Super League by the end of this year, but the end of 2021 at the latest. If you fear that you won't live that long, please get in touch with me and I will try to refer you to a good doctor in France, with the object of increasing your longevity.'" would that be dr jean-claude romand
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| Quote ="Steph Curry"The fact I am questioning him is exactly what debate means lol'"
The fact you are questioning him simply means you don't agree with him, either that or your just doing your normal thing on here by trying to wind people up, I or anyone else on here have yet to hear you offer any credible opposition to what he says, there are credible posters on here what offer alternative opinions to his, where is yours?, fortunately/unfortunately depending on peoples perception of you have yet to hear anything constructive from you lol
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| Quote ="Steph Curry"You keep saying this then offer no evidence what so ever.
I look forward to the direct quotes from super league executives.
Cheers'"
Steph, you and Jean tell me all sorts of lovely things about TWP, Toulouse, Catalans, Ottawa and New York. Where is the evidence for any of that hot air? All we have for New York is a limited merchandise site selling a few T shirts and bob hats off? Once they are gone all the evidence for NY is then hot air from a Huddersfield schoolteacher. Name me the board of directors and the investments they have put in at New York please??
Here's the direct quote from McManus on behalf of Superleague [i"Toronto is a team of English and antipodeans owned by a Australian, They have got to start producing players from Canada" [/i
So there is your direct quote, replied to in the press by McDermott who said they aren't producing any such players. Over to you to look his exact words up which will help you break the habit of making it up. Until you answer this there isn't any point to a debate with you.
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| Quote ="little wayne69"I look forward to you countering his opinion '"
I don't do opinions mate, I just look and read up on what the journos report and the clubs say. The journo Dave Woods asked Perez what was the point of TWP what would they bring to the game. That is on record in an interview you can look up on You Tube. Perez said they would add new players and new TV money to the game here. People should look that up and then look up McDermotts recent interviews where he admits TWP haven't achieved a single Canadian pro player or a single cent in TV money.
How clear can the facts be made before the Steph's and Jean's stop telling us Canada is the future?
If Canada is the future why is the Architect of this brave new world sat in the CEO's office at Bradford Bulls?? After all there is sooooo much work to do in Ottawa to get ready to join the leagues here What's going on here is some people hear only what they want to hear and TBF RL rags provide them with it..........
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OK my turn Steph........In three years how many of the pro level North American players TWP were going to produce from grid iron conversions "pretty quickly" are now in the game and how many North American TV dollars have TWP been paid in signed contracts for the rights to show the glamorous TWP?
New TV players and new TV money was promised in return for joining the leagues here. Where is this money? Where are these players now they are in Superleague? Over to you?
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1. What do you propose TW actually need to add to their squad?
2. The whole argument that the TV would be better with Bradford, Widnes and Leigh in SL seems to be.....laughable.
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The idea you knew more about Marketing than Gary Hetherington was laughable, but anyway that was just half time. 1-0 to me.
1. TWP need to add to their squad the top class college football Athletes they were going to convert "pretty quickly" to Superleague level professionals.
2. SKY is an English TV subscription channel who make nothing from overseas clubs. McManus was clear SKY need an English League for English clubs and subs. In turn SL need English fixtures as they draw bigger crowds....... Hull.v.HKR 23,002 Bradford.v.Leeds 23,373 Wigan.v.Leigh 15,699 etc.....
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How clear can the facts be made before the Steph's and Jean's stop telling us Canada is the future?
If Canada is the future why is the Architect of this brave new world sat in the CEO's office at Bradford Bulls?? After all there is sooooo much work to do in Ottawa to get ready to join the leagues here
What's going on here is some people hear only what they want to hear and TBF RL rags provide them with it..........'"
Great post and viewpoint Donnyman, saying it how it is. Out of curiosity, who do you support? Let me guess, not Toronto?
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Anyone else heard anything?
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Quote ="Itchy Arsenal"The offer is I have been led to believe "game changing"
in that if it is the only offer available then major structural changes would have to be made within the game.
I believe that there is a meeting next week at the club to get views on what changes may have to occur.
Elstone has been very quiet of late and I'm wondering if that is because there are no other offers on the table at the moment.'"
Quote ="Grimmy"Yes, a big giveaway was a year or so ago during the breakaway. The scenarios offered to the Championship clubs were 'if it stays the same' and 'if it reduces', they didn't even consider an increase option. There's other information I've been privy to which I can't share that indicates a reduction too, but in short yes, definitely expecting a reduced offer. Not sure what I'd do if I were the RFL, and not confident they know either. All very well talking about Amazon, BT etc but it only works if they're interested.'"
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Quote ="Itchy Arsenal"The offer is I have been led to believe "game changing"
in that if it is the only offer available then major structural changes would have to be made within the game.
I believe that there is a meeting next week at the club to get views on what changes may have to occur.
Elstone has been very quiet of late and I'm wondering if that is because there are no other offers on the table at the moment.'"
Quote ="Grimmy"Yes, a big giveaway was a year or so ago during the breakaway. The scenarios offered to the Championship clubs were 'if it stays the same' and 'if it reduces', they didn't even consider an increase option. There's other information I've been privy to which I can't share that indicates a reduction too, but in short yes, definitely expecting a reduced offer. Not sure what I'd do if I were the RFL, and not confident they know either. All very well talking about Amazon, BT etc but it only works if they're interested.'"
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it is an endemis thing with Rugby fans in the off season, we speculate about things that, in all honesty, we know nothing about.
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Rumours on forums don't have half the truth that published articles by RL journalists may have, albeit even then Journo's can be wrong.
I've followed the TV deal story closely after the RFL and the clubs fell out on the last massive deal of £200M which led to the top Superleague bosses (Lenegan, Davey, Moran, Pearson, Hudgell and Koukash) demanding the £200M be spent on Superleague whilst the RFL's Wood and Solly divided it up across the game wasting many £Millions. That fall out saw the RFL decimated and leaving Red Hall for a Portakabin somewhere on Saddleworth moor. SL are now in charge of negotiations so expect the Championship clubs to get nothing.
The main issue here is the massive £200M was paid to secure a quick deal to make sure BT sport (who Lenegan wanted to talk to) didn't pinch Rugby league from SKY. On that basis I don't believe SKY are losing interest at all, only that (and they say this themselves) they won't be paying £200M this time but will pay a fair price. Yes the SKY deal will reduce but that doesn't mean reduced interest from SKY. The likely deal will be lower but enough to subsidise Superleague for several more years to come in another repeat deal that started 24 years ago.
So it may be fair to assume SL clubs will get the same amount of money plus something for inflation, but SKY won't be subsidising Championship clubs this time nor will they subsidise the phoney Canadian club - as simple as that. The deal will be less money then last time but what the 11 SL clubs get will probably NOT be less money than last time. Why would SKY cheapen the product of Superleague? Self defeating. Instead they won't pay that extra they did last time to fight off BT that got wasted on the Championship.
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I've followed the TV deal story closely after the RFL and the clubs fell out on the last massive deal of £200M which led to the top Superleague bosses (Lenegan, Davey, Moran, Pearson, Hudgell and Koukash) demanding the £200M be spent on Superleague whilst the RFL's Wood and Solly divided it up across the game wasting many £Millions. That fall out saw the RFL decimated and leaving Red Hall for a Portakabin somewhere on Saddleworth moor. SL are now in charge of negotiations so expect the Championship clubs to get nothing.
The main issue here is the massive £200M was paid to secure a quick deal to make sure BT sport (who Lenegan wanted to talk to) didn't pinch Rugby league from SKY. On that basis I don't believe SKY are losing interest at all, only that (and they say this themselves) they won't be paying £200M this time but will pay a fair price. Yes the SKY deal will reduce but that doesn't mean reduced interest from SKY. The likely deal will be lower but enough to subsidise Superleague for several more years to come in another repeat deal that started 24 years ago.
So it may be fair to assume SL clubs will get the same amount of money plus something for inflation, but SKY won't be subsidising Championship clubs this time nor will they subsidise the phoney Canadian club - as simple as that. The deal will be less money then last time but what the 11 SL clubs get will probably NOT be less money than last time. Why would SKY cheapen the product of Superleague? Self defeating. Instead they won't pay that extra they did last time to fight off BT that got wasted on the Championship.'"
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