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Just a sexist D**k then?

No need for insults, that’s why there’s no debate in this country, because of people like yourself shouting down and insulting others.

Now if someone can convince me that I’m wrong I’d be the first to admit I was wrong, the original reply was a great response. Then followed a few poor insults that never gave any cause for me to change my ‘mysogynisic ways’.



Is it not sexist to give a person a job based on their sex? Answer me that.

On another note she did well, a lot better than some SL men may do.

Well there you are then, make a judgement on her contribution rather than jumping straight in with the gender issue.

It's PC gone bleeding mad

Meh. If it encourages the women’s game and makes us seem more open to women then what’s the harm?

Also, the women’s football standard is poor too so they don’t use or pretend it’s at the same level. It’s not about that.

Tbf the Leeds lady player tonight was ok as a pundit..I sort of agree with Post in soccer particularly the lady ex players pundits are wooden and only in the gig because they are female. The short haired ex England striker Smith? Is awful in her role imo. No problem with equality but it doesn't seem to go both ways in modern life? So I sort of get the OPs point but was probably worded a bit clumsily? Failing that I'm not getting involved in a ding dong over it

This is so true, to my knowledge Dave Woods has not played any serious rugby but has an obvious love and knowledge of the game and can commentate well!

Are you serious about being 'ahead of our time'? In Australia the first female side line commentator started in 1984! In the NRL currently we have female assistant referees and in the reserve league we have female referees. On NRL programmes we have panels of women discussing NRL and females heading panels of male pundits.

Also one of the biggest areas of growth in Sport in Aus is in the female games of RL, Rugby, AFL and Football.

Finally the lady player from Leeds on the Sky panel tonight did very well. More of it for me.

Well wrote. The lady who presents the Aus matches is excellent imo? Bearing in mind we have Barry and Tez and sometimes JJB the men's pundits aren't exactly blessed with TV talent..

Yeah it probably was worded clumsily but I’ve got an excuse, I played prop all my life. Thanks for being brave enough to speak your mind.

The problem is Post, that you judge her on the standard of the league she plays in rather than how good she is.
The shoehorning in thing is real I agree across all sports but not for women.

When the Olympics or WC is on we see lots of new people, many brought in for who they are rather than their knowledge and presenting skills.
Some go on to make something of it. Some don't.
It's not a gender thing.

Personally I thought the new presenter was a good addition. When asked about who she thought would win she gave a great response why she chose who she chose and when talking about the game she clearly had knowledge and clearly made judgement calls on the actual game rather than churning out standard lines.
In my opinion she is already above some of the summarises on sky/BBC so I hope she does more.

Usual clichés and not a lot to offer IMO. Lois Forsell really showed Clarke up.

Literally only there to make themselves look like they’re being contemporary and to tick the diversity box but because of the dross they already have on there half the time she’s slotted straight in and doesn’t look out of place.

She’s got about as much insight as Terry or Barrie and they played at the highest level. There’s blokes down the pub with more insight than those two though and there’ll be women who haven’t played and just spectators of the game with more than her too.

I just mute it whether it be a man, woman or a three headed alien from Mars.

get Lois to take over Barry Mac, I'm sure she would do a better job then he can bugger off and write a book with his descriptive comments about how the game is played

I think the one sport that does it right is horse racing. Both genders seem knowledgeable and grown up within the sport. Couple of comedy types but mostly very slick presenters. Sky/ITV have got it spot on imo.Even the ex jockeys add to the show McCoy Fitz etc and of course the lady jockeys are going great guns which makes their sport look miles ahead in the Ladies sport revolution.

Sorry, I though we were looking for ways to improve the standard of punditry.

I thought Lois was excellent. She appeared to grow in confidence during the show and made some really articulate and well-informed points.

"WHEN ARE WE GOING TO HAVE AN INTERNATIONAL MEN'S DAY, EH?!"

What a load of tripe - by your standards, a massive proportion of the people who commentate and comment on sport in this country would be out of a job - and this forum would be like a ghost town, since your qualifying criteria seems to be that one has to have played the game at a level equal to, or higher, than the people you are commenting on? Do you have a view on Eddie for example, who by his own admission, has never thrown a pass in anger?

I thought it was a positive move - and regardless of the specific individual, it would be no bad thing if the Sky team were more diverse going forward.

And men - if you're thinking of typing or saying that it was good because she's nicer to look at than the men, well done for spectacularly missing the point.

The young lady did well.

For those interested its Tuesday 19th of November ........

I’m against bringing on a guest player who isn’t qualified to give an expert opinion just on because of their sex. I’m also against having Stuart Cummings on too, he kills the debate by clearing up the rules on the spot making it sterile.

Eddie Hemmings is a commentator, he wasn’t billed as being the all knowing and that’s why they had a ex-player on in Stevo (not that Stevo knew anything) but Stevo had won the Ashes and the World Cup and played in Australia at the highest level for Penrith.

You say the majority of commentators would be out of a job? They’re commentators/journalists etc, I’m fine with Tanya Arnold, Angela Powers, Claire Balding etc what I’m getting at is the women’s SL is nowhere near the standard that warrants female players giving expert opinion from a players perspective on Superleague when they are unqualified and lack the experience to do so. For the same reason I don’t want Jon Wells giving his opinion as he was probably one of the worst players ever in SL.

Now if it was Women’s SL on the TV, I would prefer all females commentating and only ex or current female SL players as guests.

It isn’t personal, the woman last night seemed like a lovely person and knowledgable about RL, she’s probably a cracking player too but I stand by my opinion and won’t be bullied into changing it.

Still waiting for the day SKY have a guest that doesn't have a broad norvern accent. Maybe it would be too much of a shock for their majority-Yorkshire audience so daren't try it.

you are not being bullied, you are being, rightly, shamed for sexism.

So you're advocating segregation of the sexes in RL commentary/punditry now as well?

The hole you dug with your OP is fast becoming a crater, but rather than climb out, you've brought in the backhoe and gone at it even harder.

Would you want Prof Brian Cox to teach you about the solar system or would you want Gill Smith from Wakefield Star Gazing Society?
Would that be sexist if you chose Brian Cox or admitted you’d prefer him to her?

Now athletics is different, is is tennis to an extent, so maybe is football. In horse racing female jockeys compete against men and beat them, so having a female jockey brought into the studio to give expert analysis on horse racing from a jockeys point of view would be fine as they’d have the top level expertise that would qualify them to do so. But the gap between top level men’s and top level women’s is too large.

I’m a boxing fan, and I love watching Katie Taylor and I truly believe she’d beat a lot of men so if they brought her into studio to give expert opinion she’d be qualified to do so as she has faught all over the world and in my opinion is the best PFP female boxer on the planet. So am I sexist if I have that opinion or not? Or is it only when I criticise them?