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| Quote ="ThePrinter"Who said anything about the result? Nobody, so you’re whinging about something nobody said.
It was a discussion about match fitness and how many subs to use, given the reduction in interchanges this year then it’s a genuine question whether teams should be looking at playing starters a bit longer than just 1 half of rugby in the warm ups.'"
Well you did actually. You said Radford would be happier. Seeing as Trinity won by two tries then clearly the only thing that could make Chester less happy than Radford is that we didn’t win by enough. It’s you whose attempted to change tack since then not us.
So If this is not the case please explain what you meant in your opening post - I ask you straight out, why would Radford the coach of the losing team be happier. Remember these are your words not mine.
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| Quote ="vastman"Well you did actually. You said Radford would be happier. Seeing as Trinity won by two tries then clearly the only thing that could make Chester less happy than Radford is that we didn’t win by enough. It’s you whose attempted to change tack since then not us.
So If this is not the case please explain what you meant in your opening post - I ask you straight out, why would Radford the coach of the losing team be happier. Remember these are your words not mine.'"
Never mentioned Radford, said Hull fans, learn to read.
And saying the losing team would be happier only proves that I don’t deem the result important. Completely opposite to what you’re trying to claim and nothing to do with the post I made about playing more friendlies which is the one you went off on one about it.
Basically what’s happened is that you’ve seen me say a team who played Wakefield will be the happier and just seen red and soiled yourself and gone off on one.
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| Quote ="ThePrinter"Who said anything about the result? Nobody, so you’re whinging about something nobody said.
It was a discussion about match fitness and how many subs to use, given the reduction in interchanges this year then it’s a genuine question whether teams should be looking at playing starters a bit longer than just 1 half of rugby in the warm ups.'"
I love how you question Trinity's warm up schedule and pontificate about how many players they should use ??
Surely Chester and his staff have worked out what they want from each of their players and the side as a whole in preparation for the forthcoming season ?? and the fact that YOU think they may not be doing the right thing is quite incredible
If you pm me your contact details, I will personally ensure that they are passed on to Mr Chester and I'm sure that he will be grateful
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| Quote ="ThePrinter"So I take it you and everybody else on the Wakefield board never question his starting 17? Never say Player X should be picked instead of Player Y? Because that’s the exact same thing, debating lineups which is one of key discussion points of the board.
It was a genuine question about how to go about the introduction of fewer interchanges. Looks like some teams are still running with the large number of subs in warm up games as they do every year, interesting that Leeds have gone different and have picked only 6 in their warm up games so far, presumably so player are doing longer minutes.'"
Of course fans question the coaches selections and we all have our opinions.
However, you do seem to be on your own, in complaining (endlessley) about the number of players used on Sunday.
It may be worth mentioning that, including Boxing Day, Trinity have 4 warm up games, whereas some clubs only have 2 and as I mentioned in the previous post, the coaching and conditioning staff will have a program for each player over the co of these games and not just the Hull game.
I'll leave questioning Chester's selections until it matters
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| Quote ="ThePrinter"So I take it you and everybody else on the Wakefield board never question his starting 17? Never say Player X should be picked instead of Player Y? Because that’s the exact same thing, debating lineups which is one of key discussion points of the board.
It was a genuine question about how to go about the introduction of fewer interchanges. Looks like some teams are still running with the large number of subs in warm up games as they do every year, interesting that Leeds have gone different and have picked only 6 in their warm up games so far, presumably so player are doing longer minutes.'"
Whose line ups other than Wakeys have you discussed on here, it's a shame you and a couple of other Leeds fans can't find time to discuss your own club, and no it wasn't a genuine question about the fewer interchanges, it was another deliberate attempt at mischief making,which other club apart from Leeds and that was only used in the context of trying undermine us have you mentioned?
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| Quote ="ThePrinter"Never mentioned Radford, said Hull fans, learn to read.
And saying the losing team would be happier only proves that I don’t deem the result important. Completely opposite to what you’re trying to claim and nothing to do with the post I made about playing more friendlies which is the one you went off on one about it.
Basically what’s happened is that you’ve seen me say a team who played Wakefield will be the happier and just seen red and soiled yourself and gone off on one.'"
Pedantry is the last refuge of the loser.
So let me get this straight you can read the opinions of the 800 Hull fans who were ther (good show from them) and the 1800 or so Wakey fans (again a good showing) even though you were not actually there - pure comedy gold.
So do you think Radford was the happier coach if we must lower it to such detail? and if so why?
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| Jesus Christ what a bunch of over sensitives. Can’t even debate about the pre season use of subs giving the upcoming interchange changes or saying one team could be the happier without having several guys go off on rants or sulks. Bloody pathetic.
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| Quote ="ThePrinter"Jesus Christ what a bunch of over sensitives. Can’t even debate about the pre season use of subs giving the upcoming interchange changes or saying one team could be the happier without having several guys go off on rants or sulks. Bloody pathetic.'"
Hang on a minute.
You choose to pass comment on a game that your didn't watch and call into question the tactics of a clubs' coach and then complain about getting a rise ot of some of said clubs' fans, it is indeed pathetic.
If you were in charge, we'd flog our first 17 to death in the WARM UP games and then bemoan our injury list.
Happy New Year
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| Quote ="wrencat1873"Hang on a minute.
You choose to pass comment on a game that your didn't watch and call into question the tactics of a clubs' coach and then complain about getting a rise ot of some of said clubs' fans, it is indeed pathetic.
If you were in charge, we'd flog our first 17 to death in the WARM UP games and then bemoan our injury list.
Happy New Year
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Yeah playing with 6 or 7 subs instead of 13 really would be flogging your team
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| Quote ="ThePrinter"Yeah playing with 6 or 7 subs instead of 13 really would be flogging your team
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| Quote ="ThePrinter"Yeah playing with 6 or 7 subs instead of 13 really would be flogging your team
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ATEOTD it's one warm-up game out of 4 & we're playing probably more warm-ups than most teams so that enables to do things like we have, so what's the problem?
I also already explained on the previous page, we play Newcastle next which will probably be a team of reserves and maybe whoever CC thinks needs extra game time before the season, then we have Hudds as the final warm-up where it will most likely be closer to the starting 17 and 8 subs. So by the end of preseason do you think any of our players won't have had enough game time? especially considering some clubs have 2 or 3 warm-ups that they have to get a full squad ready for?
I also mentioned that CC said in his after game interview that he doesn't really like preseason games just because of the fact that during the course you can get so many injuries if you're unlucky. So he just monitors his players during the course of them. It's not as if CC won't know how fit the players are with all the tests & monitoring they do in the preseason, is it?
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Think Hull will go a lot better this year than a lot expect, they have a strong squad yet people are basing there opinions on performances last season when they had a freakish injury crisis.
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| Quote ="Shifty Cat"ATEOTD it's one warm-up game out of 4 & we're playing probably more warm-ups than most teams so that enables to do things like we have, so what's the problem?
I also already explained on the previous page, we play Newcastle next which will probably be a team of reserves and maybe whoever CC thinks needs extra game time before the season, then we have Hudds as the final warm-up where it will most likely be closer to the starting 17 and 8 subs. So by the end of preseason do you think any of our players won't have had enough game time? especially considering some clubs have 2 or 3 warm-ups that they have to get a full squad ready for?
I also mentioned that CC said in his after game interview that he doesn't really like preseason games just because of the fact that during the course you can get so many injuries if you're unlucky. So he just monitors his players during the course of them. It's not as if CC won't know how fit the players are with all the tests & monitoring they do in the preseason, is it?'"
Thanks for a proper response unlike others. Thing is I’ve never actually “this is the right way” or “this is the wrong way”. Just thrown something out in relation to the upcoming interchange ruling which is probably the most significant change for this season on the pitch.
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| Quote ="LardoCabin"Thought FCs reserves did pretty well against a full strength Wakefield team.
Think Hull will go a lot better this year than a lot expect, they have a strong squad yet people are basing there opinions on performances last season when they had a freakish injury crisis.'"
Wow, Hull have got a fair old reserve team with the like of Kelly, Connor & Shaul.
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| Quote ="ThePrinter"Thanks for a proper response unlike others. Thing is I’ve never actually “this is the right way” or “this is the wrong way”. Just thrown something out in relation to the upcoming interchange ruling which is probably the most significant change for this season on the pitch.'"
I agree it is and it's been brought up a few times on our forum. My opinion is, I don't think it will make much difference to how we use props because we'll still go with 4 in the 17, I still think they'll interchange the same way but coaches won't go with backs on the bench and will probably get back rowers to do longer minutes. I think maybe more tactics will come into play in how interchanges are used and who's on the bench depending what team your playing. Tbh though, there were so many games you'd watch where teams would have a couple of interchanges to go with 10 minutes left and coaches sometimes looked like they'd just stick who was left on the bench for the sake of it, usually the spare back and a backrower. it's going to be interesting though to see how teams play the 8 interchanges rule, whether they'll say go with 80-minute hookers more, similar with backrowers.
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| Quote ="LardoCabin"Thought FCs reserves did pretty well against a full strength Wakefield team.
Think Hull will go a lot better this year than a lot expect, they have a strong squad yet people are basing there opinions on performances last season when they had a freakish injury crisis.'"
Wow two days for that, I’m so glad you bothered.
So who did we play last year, your ladies team?
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| Quote ="vastman"Wow two days for that, I’m so glad you bothered.
So who did we play last year, your ladies team?'"
Sorry to upset you Vastman but it's just a fact, don't throw teddy out of cot again.
Not sure who your referring to when you say 'Your' my team (The mighty giants) beat wakefield 3 out of 4 times last season after been told your pack would steam roll us, yet they were none existent? Infact, wakefields very own Matty English showed your forwards up.
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| Quote ="LardoCabin"Sorry to upset you Vastman but it's just a fact, don't throw teddy out of cot again.
Not sure who your referring to when you say 'Your' my team (The mighty giants) beat wakefield[u 3 out of 4 times last season[/u after been told your pack would steam roll us, yet they were none existent? Infact, wakefields very own Matty English showed your forwards up.'"
Are you sure about that? because we beat you early on 22-4, our pack dominated yours. Beat you in the Super8's 16-42 at your place, Trinity's pack was even more dominant and that was without Fifita, 3 forwards all doing over 100m, Pauli Pauli doing 153m. In between, you just beat us 22-25, which could have gone either way, except Brough landed his goals and Finn missed for BJB's try with about 10 to go but set up an exciting finish anyway even though we agonisingly lost.
The only game out of the whole lot where you could close to claiming what you did was when you beat us 40-28. Even the 22-14 CC loss wasn't down to a non-existent pack, you lot just outplayed us in that 2nd half. So 3-2 in all games to you, well done.
By the way, I'm not going to talk young Matty English down, he played well in the CC but apart from that game he played in 2 others making 71 meters & 50, so I'm not sure why the need to bring him up and try to put our forwards down after one good display.
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| Quote ="Shifty Cat"icon_confused.gif Are you sure about that? because we beat you early on 22-4, our pack dominated yours. Beat you in the Super8's 16-42 at your place, Trinity's pack was even more dominant and that was without Fifita, 3 forwards all doing over 100m, Pauli Pauli doing 153m. In between, you just beat us 22-25, which could have gone either way, except Brough landed his goals and Finn missed for BJB's try with about 10 to go but set up an exciting finish anyway even though we agonisingly lost.
The only game out of the whole lot where you could close to claiming what you did was when you beat us 40-28. Even the 22-14 CC loss wasn't down to a non-existent pack, you lot just outplayed us in that 2nd half. So 3-2 in all games to you, well done.
By the way, I'm not going to talk young Matty English down, he played well in the CC but apart from that game he played in 2 others making 71 meters & 50, so I'm not sure why the need to bring him up and try to put our forwards down after one good display.'"
3 out of 5 then
Every time we play you your pack is beaten by ours yet all you do is bang on about your pack, truth is your pack will get beaten up by the likes of Saints, Cas, Hull etc there soft from what I have seen you are no where near them in terms of your forwards. Games you have beaten us, you have done with outperforming us on the flanks.
Not too sure how you can say Matty English has had one good display, he was fantastic in every game he played for us last season.
Not sure how you will do this season but I certainly would put us up there in that top 5 before Wakefield, just don`t get all the hype at all, sorry just my opinion.
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| Quote ="LardoCabin"3 out of 5 then
Every time we play you your pack is beaten by ours yet all you do is bang on about your pack, truth is your pack will get beaten up by the likes of Saints, Cas, Hull etc there soft from what I have seen you are no where near them in terms of your forwards. Games you have beaten us, you have done with outperforming us on the flanks.
Not too sure how you can say Matty English has had one good display, he was fantastic in every game he played for us last season.
Not sure how you will do this season but I certainly would put us up there in that top 5 before Wakefield, just don`t get all the hype at all, sorry just my opinion.'"
It's not hype, it's the consistency
of the last 3 seasons. 8th, 5th and then 5th again.
I think that warrants a level of confidence , dont you
Of course, a ball hasn't been passed or kicked in the new season so, nobody actually knows who will finish where but past form is the only barometer that we have.
Huddersfield will be in the top 8 and if everything goes well injury wise, you may even mak a charge at a semi final spot. Again, we'll have to wait and see.
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| Quote ="wrencat1873"It's not hype, it's the consistency
of the last 3 seasons. 8th, 5th and then 5th again.
I think that warrants a level of confidence , dont you
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Does it? Leeds finished 5th twice in a row and still get stick about it. Wakefield finish 5th twice, the latter of which because the other teams basically gave up, and its some sort of great achievement. You were in the mix to finish bottom 4 with 2 games to go last year against a Leeds team that most agree was the worst performing Leeds squad in our SL history against what your fans are calling your best built squad in SL history.
Finish 5th this year when 5th means something, rather than when Catalans don’t give a damn because they have the cup or Hull have given up because 4th is out of reach and THEN people might be impressed.
And that isn’t trolling before you usual suspect start, that’s just reality. 8 out of the 12 SL teams have won silverware in the last 5 years Wakefield boasting about finishing OUTSIDE the crucial positions ISN’T impressive.
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| Quote ="LardoCabin"3 out of 5 then
Every time we play you your pack is beaten by ours yet all you do is bang on about your pack, truth is your pack will get beaten up by the likes of Saints, Cas, Hull etc there soft from what I have seen you are no where near them in terms of your forwards. Games you have beaten us, you have done with outperforming us on the flanks.
Not too sure how you can say Matty English has had one good display, he was fantastic in every game he played for us last season.
Not sure how you will do this season but I certainly would put us up there in that top 5 before Wakefield, just don`t get all the hype at all, sorry just my opinion.'"
Roll your eyes all you want mate but you talked about facts and then couldn't even get the number of games we played right and more specifically how many times we beat you.
It's your opinion that your pack beats ours every time but the evidence suggests that's completely wrong. How can a team get spanked 16-42 and not be dominated in the forwards, that's frankly ridiculous. Similar when you got beat at the start of last season 22-4 , your pack again got bullied. Tbh I can't believe you're trying to paint it any other way, saying we won those games by some distance even though your forwards were on top.
You say that all I do, which I'd love to see how I've done this, is bang on about our pack but I think you'll find that I bang on about our backs as well, I'm balanced like that.
By the way, I brought up Matty English having one good display against us because you said this Quote wakefields very own Matty English showed your forwards up.'" linking him to his displays against us and his one good game he had, why should I talk about anything else.
Don't really care how Hudds do this season tbh but I'd put us above you because we simply have a better team and squad. Your pack looks weak. Just my opinion hey.
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| Quote ="ThePrinter"Does it? Leeds finished 5th twice in a row and still get stick about it. Wakefield finish 5th twice, the latter of which because the other teams basically gave up, and its some sort of great achievement. You were in the mix to finish bottom 4 with 2 games to go last year against a Leeds team that most agree was the worst performing Leeds squad in our SL history against what your fans are calling your best built squad in SL history.
Finish 5th this year when 5th means something, rather than when Catalans don’t give a damn because they have the cup or Hull have given up because 4th is out of reach and THEN people might be impressed.
And that isn’t trolling before you usual suspect start, that’s just reality. 8 out of the 12 SL teams have won silverware in the last 5 years Wakefield boasting about finishing OUTSIDE the crucial positions ISN’T impressive.'"
How was he boasting? he just pointed out we've been consistent, my interpretation of boasting and yours must be miles apart but that's not a surprise really.
Honestly, If you can't see the difference between where Wakefield has been in previous seasons and decades and where Leeds have and take out of that why it's a measure of improvement and relative success since CC took over, you're on the wind-up. Considering we don't spend the full cap and don't have any marquee players etc, it has been a fairly amazing turn around from where we were. If you want to $hit on that, which you obviously do - crack on mate.
When Leeds finished 5th twice and won the title, even your own fans thought it was a farce that you could coast in the regular season and then turn up and win the GF, not that I've read anyone still giving you stick about it. Anyway not sure what that has to do with Trinity apart from the finishing positions under a different structure.
Also, we finished 5th because other teams gave up, alright Printer whatever makes you feel better - the fact is you've no proof for what you say apart from it fitting in with your anti-Trinity agenda. By the way, did Hudds give up as well because they finished 5th after 23 rounds and had a chance of still making the 4?
You can say you're not trolling all you want but when you just pull out Trinity supporters posts like your getting paid for it, it is what it is. Boring.
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