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| Quote ="PopTart"If Wakefield beat Leeds on Friday they are safe.
If they are safe, they may field a weakened team in the last game to give some rests before playoffs, which will hand Huddersfield the win (not that they couldn't win anyway)
That would put Leeds in a difficult situation.
Of course if Leeds win on Friday, it's all on.'"
Should we be looking up the table, it would surely not make sense for us to rest players against Hull and Hudds? A win against those sides in those games is just as valuable as a win in the super 8`s as all points are retained for the split.
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| Quote ="christopher"Well if you listen to some Leeds fans he coached them all through his playing career
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Well he certainly reffed them.....
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| Quote ="homme vaste"Should we be looking up the table, it would surely not make sense for us to rest players against Hull and Hudds? A win against those sides in those games is just as valuable as a win in the super 8`s as all points are retained for the split.'"
I'm not sure why any team in the top 8 would be resting players when they have a chance of getting in the top 4. Its actually going to be a good race for that 4th spot I think
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| Quote ="Trinity18"NOTHING IS EVER GUARANTEED LEBRON.'"
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| Leeds and Wakefield both have a slight advantage in that they'll know what they need to do on Friday with Huddersfield and Catalans (oddly) both playing on Thursday this week.
If the latter two both win, it'll put Leeds in the position of having to win all three games to avoid the bottom 4. If they do, and Leeds don't win, it would put Leeds on the cusp of being in the bottom 4 irrespective of remaining games with only PD being their only salvation.
As it is, I think Catalans have the greatest chance of sneaking a win against Wire this weekend. Huddersfield seem the most likely to drop out at the moment based on that inferior PD.
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| Quote ="homme vaste"Not too sure why you think it is just between Wakefield and Hudds - If Wakefield beat Leeds on Friday it will put them 5 points in front of them with 4 points to play for... '"
I believe Leeds will turn it around and win their last 3 games....If I am right, then after this weekend, then Leeds will be 1 point behind you with Salford and Widnes to play....and as the OP suggests, your tie with Hudds becomes key....
Quote ="homme vaste"Also Catalan have to play Wire, Wigan and Salford - I can only really see 1 win out of 3 there.'"
as I said in my OP....
Quote ="Call Me God"Catalan have Wire and Wigan away and Salford at home, so 20 points...'"
...Given Catalan are currently on 18 points it would seem that we agree that they will only get 1 more win.......but it will be enough.
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| Quote ="Call Me God"I believe Leeds will turn it around and win their last 3 games....If I am right, then after this weekend, then Leeds will be 1 point behind you with Salford and Widnes to play....and as the OP suggests, your tie with Hudds becomes key....
as I said in my OP....
...Given Catalan are currently on 18 points it would seem that we agree that they will only get 1 more win.......but it will be enough.'"
I believe your train of thought might be slightly different come 10PM Friday
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| SEE YOU ON FRIDAY CALL ME GOD
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| Quote ="homme vaste"I believe your train of thought might be slightly different come 10PM Friday
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Quote ="Trinity18"SEE YOU ON FRIDAY CALL ME GOD'"
Given I am neither a Fan of Leeds nor Wakefield, the result on Friday means little to me. That said, I see that the only voices of dissent here are from Wakefield fans.....interesting but fully expected
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| Quote ="Call Me God"Given I am neither a Fan of Leeds nor Wakefield, the result on Friday means little to me. That said, I see that the only voices of dissent here are from Wakefield fans.....interesting but fully expected
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And why would there be dissenting voices from elsewhere.
You appear to have deliberately put Trinity in the frame to provoke a reaction and you've achieved your aim.
Haven'y you got a game of Union to watch or, are we in the close season ??
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| I don't see anything wrong with what Call Me God has said. Our record at Leeds is not good not matter the form, our record against Hull at home is iffy as is Hudds away. That lacklustre performance on Saturday has left us sweating and I don't think there has been anything more infuriating than Chester picking Liam Finn who is nearing his sell by date if not has passed it:
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| Form guide on last 5 games:
[codeSAINTS WWWWW
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CASFLD WLWDW
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HULLKR WWDLL
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| Quote ="wrencat1873"And why would there be dissenting voices from elsewhere.'"
Is English not your first language.....? There are two teams named in the thread title, but only side's fans have reacted....
Quote ="wrencat1873"You appear to have deliberately put Trinity in the frame to provoke a reaction and you've achieved your aim.
Haven'y you got a game of Union to watch or, are we in the close season ??'"
Oooh...the "union troll" hunters are out in force. When all else fails and you have no argument, call someone a union troll and hope that other idiots jump in
Wakefield fans....not all, but a few on here have bigged themselves up all year with threads like " now we're not a crap side".....the reality is you're in the frame to avoid getting dragged into relegation....and that's no reason for celebration, but an indication of how far our sport has fallen as being relevant....
...and I repeat...Lose to Leeds and you'll be looking for seat deals on AirTRANSAT
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| Saints v Catalans is looking like a mouthwatering Challenge Cup semi final clash. Some bookies still have Catalans at 14/1 quite unbelievable to say they are in the semifinal and have the 2nd best form in Super League.
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HULLFC LWLWL
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| Quote ="Sir Kevin Sinfield"Saints v Catalans is looking like a mouthwatering Challenge Cup semi final clash. Some bookies still have Catalans at 14/1 quite unbelievable to say they are in the semifinal and have the 2nd best form in Super League.
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WIGAN WWLWL
HULLKR WWDLL
WAKFLD LLWLW
HULLFC LWLWL
SALFRD LLWLL
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Is that 14-1 to win the challenge cup if so that’s a ridiculous price with only four teams left
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| Cats are 11/4 on Skybet which feels realistic. Where are they at 14/1? That's a seriously good "value" bet!
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| Quote ="fun time frankie"Is that 14-1 to win the challenge cup if so that’s a ridiculous price with only four teams left'"
CORAL have them at 18's?????
[urlhttp://sports.coral.co.uk/rugby-league/challenge-cup/2018-challenge-cup-8209660.html[/url
Chorley John will have his giro on that
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| ^^ They were 10/1 on Sunday on SKY Bet, my Dad had me put a few quid on it for him on my account.
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| The 14/1 price that I took recently was to win the Cup, 11/4 must be to beat Saints in the semi.
18/1 is incredible for the the team with the 2nd best form in Super League.
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| Well well well.......2 unexpected results tonight make Wakey/Leeds the "end game" for both sides.....Wakey win, they are in the top 8.......but should the Rhinos get the points, then it is going to be twitchy bum time for Wakefield given Leeds finish off with Salford and Widnes....
CATALAN 19 POINTS (-72)....Salford at Home and Wigan away =21 points
HUDDERSFIELD 19 POINTS (-22icon_cool.gif Castleford away and Wakefield at Home = 21 points
WAKEFIELD 18 POINTS (+25) Leeds away, FC at home and Huddersfield away = 18 points
LEEDS 15 POINTS (-104) Wakefield at Home, Widnes at Home and Salford Away =21 points
There's more excitement at the foot of the table and the top of the second tier than at the top of SL.......so let's change the format again
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| indeed. middle 8's has been a great idea even though we've been in once and could be again. some clubs want a closed shop though
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| Quote ="tad rhino"indeed. middle 8's has been a great idea even though we've been in once and could be again. some clubs want a closed shop though'"
The middle 8s might seem a good idea on the surface as it creates 'excitement' but what it also creates is uncertainty for 4 Superleague clubs which in turn means they can't plan for the following year which hinders sponsorship and season ticket sales, we as a sport simply cannot afford to have all the uncertainty for1/3rd of the top tier clubs half way through the season.
Do you think its good that teams are now throwing cash at over rated Aussies in the hope of keeping up ? and we wonder why we don't produce a load of good youngsters, if clubs know they can plan properly after having a bad season it means they are not forced to throw money they don't have at players they don't need. It's just a race to the bottom, the excitement should be at the top of the league not the bottom.
Lets say Either Leeds or Warrington last year got relegated for finishing 9th because they had a bad year, yes it will give some fans a good 'laugh' but it would be a disaster for the Superleague.
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| Quote ="christopher"The middle 8s might seem a good idea on the surface as it creates 'excitement' but what it also creates is uncertainty for 4 Superleague clubs which in turn means they can't plan for the following year which hinders sponsorship and season ticket sales, we as a sport simply cannot afford to have all the uncertainty for1/3rd of the top tier clubs half way through the season.
Do you think its good that teams are now throwing cash at over rated Aussies in the hope of keeping up ? and we wonder why we don't produce a load of good youngsters, if clubs know they can plan properly after having a bad season it means they are not forced to throw money they don't have at players they don't need. It's just a race to the bottom, the excitement should be at the top of the league not the bottom.
Lets say Either Leeds or Warrington last year got relegated for finishing 9th because they had a bad year, yes it will give some fans a good 'laugh' but it would be a disaster for the Superleague.'"
Why would it be a disaster for Super League? Some on here are saying that having Toronto in SL will be a great benefit, and why would swapping places with Leeds (given they could be in the bottom 4 come the end of the season) be so bad for SL? If Leeds, or any other current SL team, get relegated then that will be because they have failed to perform better than a current Championship team in the M8's.
In terms of clubs throwing money at players in desperation, surely that's a relatively simple one to fix? Stop clubs from signing new players at an appropriate point in the season.
Regarding excitement, don't we want this at both the top and bottom of each league? The way it's panned out this year means that there's more interest in the bottom of SL and top of the Championship due to the number of clubs still involved, whereas the top 4 of SL is already pretty much decided. It's not talked about much, but the bottom of the Championship is tight as well, with realistically 4 teams playing for the two survival slots. Next season could be completely different.
Without P&R, the vast majority of teams would now be playing out dead rubbers. With P&R, we have around 15 teams still with very much to play for.
With a closed shop for SL, look at the table now and try and see where there's any excitement through the last few games of the season? Just a period of waiting for the top 4 teams for the playoffs to start, and meaningless games for the rest (other than potentially Hull, but overhauling Cas is pretty unlikely).
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| “Lets say Either Leeds or Warrington last year got relegated for finishing 9th because they had a bad year, yes it will give some fans a good 'laugh' but it would be a disaster for the Superleague”
Was losing Bradford a disaster for Super League?
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| Quote ="Kevs Head"“Lets say Either Leeds or Warrington last year got relegated for finishing 9th because they had a bad year, yes it will give some fans a good 'laugh' but it would be a disaster for the Superleague”
Was losing Bradford a disaster for Super League?'"
Bradford were in an absolute mess on and off the field especially off the field, Leeds and Warrington are two if not the two best run clubs in Superleague. And even with Bradfords troubles they were and are a big loss to Superleague with both their crowds and junior development.
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