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| Quote ="EHW"It is perfectly possible for something to be both LEGAL in a court of law, and against the RFL Operational Rules.
No idea whether it is in this case or not, but just because a court has OK'd something, it doesn't mean there isn't a breach of some other rules.'"
Its perfectly possible to be in line with the RFL Operational Rules and still in breach - do you not remember Wigans "breaking the spirit of the cap"?
It seems, judging by the tweet below:
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All clubs has the right to award their " player of the year" with a prize as it sees fit. Why is he asking the RFL to investigate
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The wider issue would be clubs abusing the rule (in the exempt from cap value calculations section):
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the Gross value of any bonus payments that may Accrue to the Player during the Salary Cap Year if he wins the annual Man-of-Steel award (or any other similar individual award) or any Man-of-the-Match awards in that Salary Cap Year;
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Now, I've had several discussions on this particular rule about whether an internal award (both -of-the-year and mom) would be covered by this. I've always maintained the opinion it did (something to think about the next time the club awards a mom to a player who was completely anonymous all game). If this is what the complaint is based around, it will be interesting to see how it develops.
No idea about the 2 contracts stuff though, that would (presumedly) be a direct breach
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| Quote ="Him"Not if the allegations about 2 contracts are true it's not.
If they're true it's a very big RL story.'"
If true it would also suggest that certain players knowingly and willingly participated in breaching the rules and those individual players should be punished accordingly.
With Puletua now retired,this may focus on a certain club in the north west.
Interesting times.
It's gotta be time for he return of Des.He has served most of his 8 yrs ban now,hasn't he?
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| Quote ="DemonUK"Oooooh that was a defensive challenge.
Hock, Chase and Long'"
Three notorious braindeads. I don't fancy their chances.
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| Quote ="Diavolo Rosso"Three notorious braindeads. I don't fancy their chances.'"
So because they are as you say 'braindeads' it makes it ok to possibly rip them off. What a stupid statement.
"Ha, you're braindead so Salford win", don't think it quite works like that. Incidentally has anyone heard from Mr Vickers since he left, bet he has some interesting tales to tell. Personally I don't care which way this goes, but for investigations to have been ongoing since October it would suggest there is lots to look at or the RFL are very slow (likely)
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| Conspiracy theory at its best. Koukash sells entire team to Leigh, Salford made to swap places with Leigh for coming season and the good doctor buys Leigh.
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| Quote ="Angelic Cynic"If true it would also suggest that certain players knowingly and willingly participated in breaching the rules and those individual players should be punished accordingly.
With Puletua now retired,this may focus on a certain club in the north west.
Interesting times.
It's gotta be time for he return of Des.He has served most of his 8 yrs ban now,hasn't he?'"
again, I am not sure of the specifics of this case but there is nothing inherently wrong from the players perspective in having 2 contracts. The player is not responsible for any salary cap reporting, so he isn't to know whether the club is or is not reporting his earnings correctly.
He could have 10 different contracts for different aspects of his earnings and the club still be compliant with the cap if they are reporting it all correctly.
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| Quote ="TheButcher"The case in question was thrown out of court a while ago. Not sure another RFL investigation is going to find anything different than a law court.'"
Despite what your glorious leader says, the case was not thrown out of court and he is being economical with the truth somewhat. Puletua took both Salford Red Devils and Euromatech Ltd to the tribunal over non-payment of his second contract with Euromatech which was intrinsically linked to his playing contract at Salford. He signed for Salford on the basis of an £80k playing contract with the club and a separate £50k contract for "consultancy services" with Euromatech. The tribunal found the club not guilty of owing Puletua money but also found that Euromatech did and they were ordered to pay him, something which Dear Leader neglects to mention.
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| Quote ="Derwent"Despite what your glorious leader says, the case was not thrown out of court and he is being economical with the truth somewhat. Puletua took both Salford Red Devils and Euromatech Ltd to the tribunal over non-payment of his second contract with Euromatech which was intrinsically linked to his playing contract at Salford. He signed for Salford on the basis of an £80k playing contract with the club and a separate £50k contract for "consultancy services" with Euromatech. The tribunal found the club not guilty of owing Puletua money but also found that Euromatech did and they were ordered to pay him, something which Dear Leader neglects to mention.'"
If all of that is true (do you have a source for the info?) then that doesn't look too good from Salford's perspective.
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| It'll be of some interest to see how this develops, and any further implications it might have.
It's not too unusual for senior players to get involved with the coaching of junior teams, or even the "reserve team" at their current club, so if they had received additional payments for these activities, would that too count towards the cap?
If there is a clear seperation of duties, and it could be proved that someone did indeed have a seperate, functional and valid, consultancy role, in addition to their playing contract, then why would it be counted towards to cap? Of course if its just a smokescreen, then fair enough, count if towards the cap, and investigate the potential rule breech.
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| Quote ="shinymcshine"It'll be of some interest to see how this develops, and any further implications it might have.
It's not too unusual for senior players to get involved with the coaching of junior teams, or even the "reserve team" at their current club, so if they had received additional payments for these activities, would that too count towards the cap?
If there is a clear seperation of duties, and it could be proved that someone did indeed have a seperate, functional and valid, consultancy role, in addition to their playing contract, then why would it be counted towards to cap? Of course if its just a smokescreen, then fair enough, count if towards the cap, and investigate the potential rule breech.'"
There is no seperation, nor should there be. The reason why is abuse of the loophole - you'd end up in a situation whereby every single player had 2 defined, completely seperate "consultancy" roles in the club and paid £1 for his on field duties and £200k for working in the club shop once a year for an hour.
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| Quote There is no seperation, nor should there be. The reason why is abuse of the loophole - you'd end up in a situation whereby every single player had 2 defined, completely seperate "consultancy" roles in the club and paid £1 for his on field duties and £200k for working in the club shop once a year for an hour.'"
Not forgetting the missus working in the shop on £100K
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| Just drop a paper bag in the Virgin isles to be picked up on there route home
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| I think the Dr has been taking salary cap management lessons from uncle Mo
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| Quote ="Levrier"Conspiracy theory at its best. Koukash sells entire team to Leigh, Salford made to swap places with Leigh for coming season and the good doctor buys Leigh.'"
Insane, but you can have 10000/1 for that happenijng...
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| From this it's obvious the salary cap is impossible to police so scrap it allow clubs to pay what they want and if they then end up in administration they get demoted one division teams in the bottom division forfeit promotion for one season if they are wound up its start at the bottom again a club in the bottom division forfeits promotion for two years
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| From this it's obvious the salary cap is impossible to police so scrap it allow clubs to pay what they want and if they then end up in administration they get demoted one division teams in the bottom division forfeit promotion for one season if they are wound up its start at the bottom again a club in the bottom division forfeits promotion for two years
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| The reason this is a big story is the Dr said he was going to cheat the cap just like others do. He has obviously gone away and found out how this is done. That would indicate that this is common practise and it suits the player getting better wages so nothing is said. However if you operate this system and you terminate their contract you must pay off both element to avoid them "Telling tales". The players in some ways have the club by the balls.
The reason this is a big story is it has clear that there have been an attempt to disguise player payments to remain under the cap. The chances are this wasn't a newly created scam but one that is used in other clubs with money so could create waves for other clubs too.
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| Rip salary cap........thank God it's dead
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| Yeah now the Super league can just be like premier League is for football. Brilliant 4 club comp can't wait.
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| Quote ="Dannyboywt"Yeah now the Super league can just be like premier League is for football. Brilliant 4 club comp can't wait.'"
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| if marwan has proof other clubs have done the same, why doesn't he out them!?
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| I would guess if any sanctions are taken on Salford he will not hold back naming names and clubs. The cap is the cap though and if he has used a system to breach the rules he will be made an example of. Point deduction will not work as all he will do is make sure he has a very good squad for middle 8's. I don't think they will just remove the cap without punishment. It must be tough been a Salford fan.
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| Quote ="bezzerscr"From this it's obvious the salary cap is impossible to police so scrap it allow clubs to pay what they want and if they then end up in administration they get demoted one division teams in the bottom division forfeit promotion for one season if they are wound up its start at the bottom again a club in the bottom division forfeits promotion for two years
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Agreed.
Just scrap the salary cap.
Replace it with a set scale of sanctions - points deductions, relegation etc for going into Adminisration or going bust - so everybody knows exactly where they stand from the off.
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