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| Quote ="Neville Davies"In the past 50 years Roger Millward is the best G.B.player I have seen.'"
That is a very strong judgment.
However no one can deny that Roger Milward is the greatest No. 6 ever to play for Great Britain.
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| I agree, may be OTT. But the list is endless. Do you have a view on Paul Charlton?
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| Quote ="Neville Davies"I agree, may be OTT. But the list is endless. Do you have a view on Paul Charlton?'"
Sorry, but I don't have a view of him.
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| Quote ="wireone"The only certainties in my selection would be Alex Murphy at Scrum Half, Brian McTigue at blind side prop and Dick Huddart in the second row. There are so many worthy contenders for the other positions it is impossible to omit one instead of another
I would select Alan Davies at centre in front of some of those suggested. Eric Ashton for one.
I agree that modern players are bigger, fitter and faster than their predecessors but you can only judge players against their contemporaries. Dick Huddart was the SBW of his day. A superb, tough as teak athlete whose prowess would still stand out today given the same modern training nutrition etc.'"
Alan Davies is the best British centre I have ever seen. Boston would walk into any team. At his best he could play fullback, wing centre or stand off. With todays fitness and conditioning he would be frightening to play against.
Charlton is a very good shout for fullback.
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| Quote ="JEAN CAPDOUZE"That is a very strong judgment.
However no one can deny that Roger Milward is the greatest No. 6 ever to play for Great Britain.'"
Yes they can, Millwards was a great player but played more of a running style behind ball playing forwards. I think John Holmes was a more rounded player, and just as good. Schofield is better hands down. People shove Schofield out to centre to accommodate him in teams like this, but stand off was his best position.
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| John Holmes was a great player,but so was Ken Gill,but Roger Millward in my view was about 20% above both.
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| Quote ="Neville Davies"In 50 years I have not seen a better full back than Paul Charlton. Record number of tries in a season from full back, plus I have never seen him lose a one on one defence of the line on a break.'"
Overtaken by Neil Turley in 2001, admittedly Turley wasn't in the top flight though.
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| Quote ="Keith"Overtaken by Neil Turley in 2001, admittedly Turley wasn't in the top flight though.'"
Whilst his tries in a season record may have gone, I agree with previous posters about Paul Charlton being the best GB full back of the last 50 years and I was going to mention him in my earlier post but I thought that people would think that I was being greedy as a Salford fan!! Glad to see Ken Gill get a mention but he didn't really re-produce his form at international level.
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| Quote ="JEAN CAPDOUZE"Didn't you ever see Roger Milward? If so, how could he not be a certain selection?'"
I first saw Roger Milward playing when he was in Castleford's youth team. He was a superb player and worthy of serious consideration. However, in my team, I would have a slight tendency for Jonathan Davies or Bobby Fulton at stand off. I know Fulton played for Australia but he was more British than some other players that have been selected. To have to leave out players like Roger Milward illustrates my point though of the impossibility of the task.
Paul Charlton again is a worthy choice and certainly had all the attributes but so did Radlinski and several others.
Boston, particularly in the early part of his career, was peerless but there are numerous other wingers who you would be loathe to leave out.
The only clear selections for me would be Murphy, McTigue and Huddart with a slight favouring for Davies and Fox at centre.
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| Tony Myler at 6 for me......mercurial stand off but was a biscuit body.
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| I would struggle to pick a best team from the last fifty years but from the last twenty five-thirty years this would be my pick.
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| 1, Danny Brough
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| Quote ="ThePrinter"1, Danny Brough
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Ah good old revolving door defence to the fore with this selection
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| Suprised no one has mentioned who the Australia and Kiwi teams feared the most in Vince Karalius, I would also have Millward in there at stand off.
The original poster has put Tomkins in at full back, I reckon Radlinski and and Charlton had a better overall game.
Lots of great international backs mentioned, sadly our current international backline the weakest I,ve known for almost a decade now.
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| Quote ="Judder Man"Suprised no one has mentioned who the Australia and Kiwi teams feared the most in Vince Karalius, I would also have Millward in there at stand off.
The original poster has put Tomkins in at full back, I reckon Radlinski and and Charlton had a better overall game.
Lots of great international backs mentioned, sadly our current international backline the weakest I,ve known for almost a decade now.'"
Loose forward is probably the most difficult selection of all with Vinty Karalius, Mal Reilly, Rocky Turner, John Whiteley, Paul Sculthorpe and Geoff Gunney springing to mind immediately and with a bit more thought you could think of as many more worthwhile contenders. Vinty is up there with the best though.
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| Whitely was a better ball handler & had a tad more pace/better feet than Karalius, in todays games JW would be the pick at 13 but I went for VK at 13 and JW at 12 which is were he often played for GB.
I can't see past Jonathan Davies at full back, he could play anywhere in the backline and would have been fantastic at 6 too. As good as Tomkins is, he just isn't even a close match compared to Davies IMO.
As for the inclusion of Offiah in many people's teams, yes he had a lot of pace but he was the worst GB defender in any position in my memory..Sure primarily you want clinical finshers which he was but there were equally great finishers with just as much speed whom were tenatious and better defenders by a very long distance..
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| Quote ="knockersbumpMKII"Whitely was a better ball handler & had a tad more pace/better feet than Karalius, in todays games JW would be the pick at 13 but I went for VK at 13 and JW at 12 which is were he often played for GB.
I can't see past Jonathan Davies at full back, he could play anywhere in the backline and would have been fantastic at 6 too. As good as Tomkins is, he just isn't even a close match compared to Davies IMO.
As for the inclusion of Offiah in many people's teams, yes he had a lot of pace but he was the worst GB defender in any position in my memory..Sure primarily you want clinical finshers which he was but there were equally great finishers with just as much speed whom were tenatious and better defenders by a very long distance..'"
The idea of the game is to score more than the opposition. Offiah scored more than he ever conceded by perceived poor defence and by a long, long way. Not only that but his defence was actually pretty good, even though ungainly. Furthermore, because of the threat he posed his centre would get a little more space in pressure situations.
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| Quote ="wireone"Loose forward is probably the most difficult selection of all with Vinty Karalius, Mal Reilly, Rocky Turner, John Whiteley, Paul Sculthorpe and Geoff Gunney springing to mind immediately and with a bit more thought you could think of as many more worthwhile contenders. Vinty is up there with the best though.'"
In my opinion, Mal Reilly wasn't in the same class as people like Karalius, Whiteley or Turner. Widnes alone produced 4 better than Reilly in my view in the period under consideration - Karalius, Laughton, Nicholls (although he tended to play second row later on) and Adams. I've already expressed by view on Karalius. Laughton was a better footballer than Reilly. Adams too (plus rock solid in defence). Nicholls, I believe, was GB's most capped forward at one stage.
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| Quote ="Neville Davies"In the past 50 years Roger Millward is the best G.B.player I have seen.'"
I always judged a player by how much I feared him when he was playing my team. Whilst Roger was a star player he was not someone I feared like some players. Only those grounds I wouldn't put him close to being the BEST of the last 50 years - he was in the category of a "good 'un" but not a 5 decade stand out player in my view.
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| Surprised no one mentioned Ken Gowers. Where are the Swinton fans?
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| Quote ="Always behind the sticks"Whilst his tries in a season record may have gone, I agree with previous posters about Paul Charlton being the best GB full back of the last 50 years and I was going to mention him in my earlier post but I thought that people would think that I was being greedy as a Salford fan!! Glad to see Ken Gill get a mention but he didn't really re-produce his form at international level.'"
Charlo was the Rolls Royce of full backs, it was a pleasure to watch him as a child for Workington (before and after his move to Salford). He was the first to adopt the modern full back style of play, hitting the ball at speed from deep and accelerating away. Tough as teak as well, rock solid in defence. It is testament to how good he was that when the great Graeme Langlands retired, St George wanted Charlo as his replacement but he turned them down.
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| Quote ="knockersbumpMKII"Whitely was a better ball handler & had a tad more pace/better feet than Karalius, in todays games JW would be the pick at 13 but I went for VK at 13 and JW at 12 which is were he often played for GB.
I can't see past Jonathan Davies at full back, he could play anywhere in the backline and would have been fantastic at 6 too. As good as Tomkins is, he just isn't even a close match compared to Davies IMO.
As for the inclusion of Offiah in many people's teams, yes he had a lot of pace but he was the worst GB defender in any position in my memory..Sure primarily you want clinical finshers which he was but there were equally great finishers with just as much speed whom were tenatious and better defenders by a very long distance..'"
I agree with much of what you say. However there are more candidates for full back than stand off and I would put Jiffy at stand off with someone like Paul Charlton at full back. Jiffy would be in my side. The question is. Where would I play him? With regard to Offiah, a great winger who did not shine at international level. I would love to have seen him up against mad Mick Sullivan. Sullivan would have frightened the life out of him. He was such a psychopath he frightened me, and I was only watching. He would be in the mix for my nomination as winger though.
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| Quote ="Dally"In my opinion, Mal Reilly wasn't in the same class as people like Karalius, Whiteley or Turner. Widnes alone produced 4 better than Reilly in my view in the period under consideration - Karalius, Laughton, Nicholls (although he tended to play second row later on) and Adams. I've already expressed by view on Karalius. Laughton was a better footballer than Reilly. Adams too (plus rock solid in defence). Nicholls, I believe, was GB's most capped forward at one stage.'"
There is another name I should have mentioned Doug Laughton. He had a career threatening injury which caused an hiatus in his career. When he came back he was still great but I don't think as good as prior to his injury.
George Nicholls, a superb tackler and workhorse, lacked the pace of the other contenders. In the modern game where loose forwards are used as third props he would probably excel. Another Widnes great, Frank Myler, would not make my team because of his lack of pace.
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| Quote ="wireone" Another Widnes great, Frank Myler, would not make my team because of his lack of pace.'"
He was deceptively fast although I would agree not having blistering pace. Like Tony Myler he was very strong. He did win captain the last GB side to beat Australia in a series, 10 years after he was in a world cup winning team.
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| Dally, I respect your view on Roger Millward,but I can assure you that the Australian fans feared him. I am not a HKR fan,for the record.
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