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| Quote ="Knuckles"Sinfield in for his kicking, only, very overrated in normal play, but Brough's not a good enough player or kicker.'"
Where was Sinfields kicking yesterda? I actually think Brough is a better kicker as he showed yesterday yet again.
I don't see Sinfield every game, but the sky games I've seen I haven't really noticed him. I wouldn't even say he has kicked well all season.
Leeds fans will say come play off team Sinfield will kick on, but it's the Leeds team in general that kick on, they get momentum and everyone starts playing well. This allows Sinfield to kick to the corner. But what about when things aren't going well, we need out stand off to stand up and put in a relieving kick. Brough did this numerous times yesterday for Hudds. Sinfield just didn't show up again.
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| If Brough carries it on for the rest of the season then I have no problem with him being picked ahead of Sinfield. I like the fact he looks like a cocky little git and on form he's got a genuinely dangerous short kicking game. Sadly, recent history suggests he and Huddersfield are far more likely to vanish without trace before the end of the year.
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| If the World Cup was in April, Danny Brough would be an automatic selection.
Enjoy him, Giants fans. You've got about another six weeks until your season falls apart, based on recent evidence.
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| Quote ="meast"yet again, brough showed sinfield a masterclass in half back play
yet again sinfield was anonymous as the giants tore his team to shreds.
at the moment we have leeds' number and the so called best player in the world and his champion team have no answer to us.'"
And yet again Brough will probably end the year without any trophy s or success. Strange that eh?
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| and yet again, a players ability should not be judged on how many trophies his team have won.
brough at the moment is a better player than sinfield, who didn't want to know yesterday when the chips were down for his team.
im pretty sure players are judged on their individual skills rather than how many medals they have won?
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| Quote ="Andy Gilder"If the World Cup was in April, Danny Brough would be an automatic selection.
Enjoy him, Giants fans. You've got about another six weeks until your season falls apart, based on recent evidence.'"
recent as in years or weeks?
last year I think most people know the reason it fell apart, this year time will tell but we seem a much stronger and closer unit than this time last year.
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| Im sure when Sinfield retires and looks back on his career, he will think, I've had a good un, just wish I was as good as Danny Brough though
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| Yeah he'll think "if only I was as good a player, fortunately I had a team designed to do nothing but make me look better than I am"
Brough looks good on his own merits
Sinfield looks good on the back of others efforts
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| Quote ="Code13"Yeah he'll think "if only I was as good a player, fortunately I had a team designed to do nothing but make me look better than I am"
Brough looks good on his own merits
Sinfield looks good on the back of others efforts'"
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| Quote ="Code13"Yeah he'll think "if only I was as good a player, fortunately I had a team designed to do nothing but make me look better than I am"
Brough looks good on his own merits
Sinfield looks good on the back of others efforts'"
Sinfield has been proving his quality for over a decade, yet Brough has barely managed to maintain form for a full season in the same time perios.
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| Sinfield is a good club captain but not a great player. When it comes to the world cup he'll be captain of players he doesn't know inside out so his selection in to the squad never mind captain is pathetic. I've seen plenty of Rhinos games this season and he's never anywhere near deserving man of match awards. Brough has given him a master class in half back play twice this season so far so he must be feeling a right pleb that someone head and shoulders above him isn't getting picked for England. If 'Sir Kev' has any decency he'll step down for the good of the country so that we can stand a chance against the Aussies. McNamara should be nowhere near the England set up.
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| There is no comparison - Brough is a superbly gifted, skillful, creative, explosive,master kicking exciting rugby league player - Sinfield isn't !!
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| Sinfield is a winner though. Tried and tested. He somehow, by whatever means, drags his team over the finish line. See the grand final last year, without Sinfield, Warrington would have won that game.
I think his game all in all isn't as good as Brough (on a good day) Widdop or Myler, but you can't deny his pedigree.
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| Why are we pretending Brough was ‘good’ on Saturday? His kicking game was average, just lumped down field, none-looked difficult to deal with and the one Hardaker dropped was entirely down to poor play by Hardaker. I can’t remember Brough taking on the line at all, nor a any great creative work from him, the one time he did try and put someone through a gap he managed to waste a 3 man over-lap throwing the ball comfortably behind everyone and straight in to touch.
There wasn’t a halfback on the field who had a ‘good’ game. In fact I would say that if you looked at the spine of the teams 1,6,7,9 you could argue only Lunt impressed at all.
That game was all about the forwards in its entirety. Bar a couple of Cudjoe interceptions you could largely have substituted the entire set of backs and half-backs and I doubt anyone would have noticed.
Hudds got a well deserved win because of some monster performances upfront.
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"Why are we pretending Brough was ‘good’ on Saturday? His kicking game was average, just lumped down field, none-looked difficult to deal with and the one Hardaker dropped was entirely down to poor play by Hardaker. I can’t remember Brough taking on the line at all, nor a any great creative work from him, the one time he did try and put someone through a gap he managed to waste a 3 man over-lap throwing the ball comfortably behind everyone and straight in to touch.
There wasn’t a halfback on the field who had a ‘good’ game. In fact I would say that if you looked at the spine of the teams 1,6,7,9 you could argue only Lunt impressed at all.
That game was all about the forwards in its entirety. Bar a couple of Cudjoe interceptions you could largely have substituted the entire set of backs and half-backs and I doubt anyone would have noticed.
Hudds got a well deserved win because of some monster performances upfront.'" Nobody was saying Brough was 'good', he was 'GREAT' with his pin point kicking and awesome defence. TBH I didn't notice his defence as much being at the game but i've watched it twice on TV now and seen the amount of work he put in. You aren't McNamara by any chance are you cos he can't spot talent either.
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"Why are we pretending Brough was ‘good’ on Saturday? His kicking game was average, just lumped down field, none-looked difficult to deal with and the one Hardaker dropped was entirely down to poor play by Hardaker. I can’t remember Brough taking on the line at all, nor a any great creative work from him, the one time he did try and put someone through a gap he managed to waste a 3 man over-lap throwing the ball comfortably behind everyone and straight in to touch.
There wasn’t a halfback on the field who had a ‘good’ game. In fact I would say that if you looked at the spine of the teams 1,6,7,9 you could argue only Lunt impressed at all.
That game was all about the forwards in its entirety. Bar a couple of Cudjoe interceptions you could largely have substituted the entire set of backs and half-backs and I doubt anyone would have noticed.
Hudds got a well deserved win because of some monster performances upfront.'"
If you didn't think that was a master kicking display from Brough then you have no idea about rugby league. Time and time again Brough put in a pin point kick which split the winger and the full back.
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| Quote ="captaincaveman"Brough and tomkins at halfbacks ,with sinfield at 13 or not in team at all for me.'"
Why would you move Tomkins to a position he hasn't played at regularly for years? Unless Wane can be persuaded to play him at 6 for the rest of the season I wouldn't even consider putting people out of position.
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| Quote ="Barbed Wire"Sinfield is a winner though. Tried and tested. He somehow, by whatever means, drags his team over the finish line. See the grand final last year, without Sinfield, Warrington would have won that game.
I think his game all in all isn't as good as Brough (on a good day) Widdop or Myler, but you can't deny his pedigree.'"
He drags Leeds over the line, but I doubt he commands the same aura in the England squad. Not saying he isn't respected, I'm sure he is, but when you've been a club legend for so many years, your influence there is bound to be very high - don't expect the same level of influence to be carried into a different team.
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| Quote ="RLBandit"He drags Leeds over the line, but I doubt he commands the same aura in the England squad. Not saying he isn't respected, I'm sure he is, but when you've been a club legend for so many years, your influence there is bound to be very high - don't expect the same level of influence to be carried into a different team.'"
I don't envisage him to be the same, nor would I want him to be. This group is an elite selection and should be treated as such. They will need leading, not dictation. I doubt Brough will offer the same leadership/navigation as Sinfield would. Should he do it from half back, or should he do it from loose forward? Who knows. We all know he lacks the pace and craft to unlock an Australian defence, so maybe a shift to the back row with a genuine half back would be a smarter move?
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| Quote ="PONNER"Nobody was saying Brough was 'good', he was 'GREAT' with his pin point kicking and awesome defence. TBH I didn't notice his defence as much being at the game but i've watched it twice on TV now and seen the amount of work he put in. You aren't McNamara by any chance are you cos he can't spot talent either.'"
So he meant to kick directly to the hands of Hall, Hardaker or Watkins repeatedly? Odd choice for a halfback and one which very nearly cost Hudds a try.
If that’s Brough being ‘GREAT’ I can well understand why he has experienced such limited success throughout his career.
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| Surely this answer to this debate is as follows... England halfbacks to be...
No. 6 - Kevin Sinfield - Mr consistency with an excellent all round game + wonderful goal kicker + England Captain
No. 7 - Danny Brough - pace + flair + superb general kicking game
i.e the best of both worlds + both true Englishmen and send Kiwi Rangi Chase packing back to Australia (off to play in the NRL anyway by all accounts).
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| Quote ="Bull Mania"If you didn't think that was a master kicking display from Brough then you have no idea about rugby league. Time and time again Brough put in a pin point kick which split the winger and the full back.'"
No he didn’t, Many of kicks went straight to hand, none of them were dangerous. Even the kick which was praised to the high heavens by the commentary team wasn’t a ‘pin-point’ kick it was a hopeful punt up field which Hardaker made a meal of.
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| Brough had a good first 40 mins with the boot but in attack in the 2nd half the only thing I can remember is throwing the ball into touch, a 2nd half which Leeds managed to force 3 drop outs through kicks to the in-goal area. Brough did stand up in defence but then again so did Sinfield who did even more work in that department. If any back won Hudds the game it was Cudjoe.
Was Brough better than Sinfield on Saturday, yes........was he excellent and put on a performance that would suggest he'd frighten the Aussies, no.
If you made the straight swap of Brough for Sinfield for England then he'd face the same problem as Sinfield did in the 2011 4 Nations final. Australia knew it was always going to be Sinfield getting it on the 5th and rushed out well to stop him (something Leeds defenders failed to do on Saturday)....Brough would struggle the same if given similar treatment.
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| Huddersfield play well, Brough looks good, Giants fans get a boner and acclaim him as the best half back in the competition.
When Huddersfield play badly and get bent over though, it's always another part of the team's fault. Brough is teflon to Giants fans, he can do no wrong even when he does.
Second half on Saturday he disappeared into a Giant sized hole with the wind against him. His kicks were poor, his passing game was haphazard.
Numerous international coaches for England and GB have looked at him and gone "no thanks". Clearly, they have seen something in his game that those fans clamouring for his selection haven't.
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