Without a video ref and multiple camera angles, we'll never know what the right outcomes would have been.

Hicks was a metre away from Hohaia's disallowed try and was adamant he dropped it. We were all sure it was a score.

The two touchies agreed that Hanbury's goal didn't go over, though I was sat right behind the goal and, along with the several hundred others who had the same view, was sure it went over.

TBH the worst decision of the day was to penalise Chris Dean for accidental offside in the lead up to Wilkin's try. He was behind the man (the marker!) who the ball struck and was deemed to be in front. Shocking.

We need video refs at every match, or to get rid of them altogether, imo.

The kick went higher than the posts, because on Sky it would otherwise have been possible to freeze frame as the ball went past a post, and see if it was in or out. But it went a way over.

The ref cannot overrule the TJs. If they agree (they did) then he has to award the goal. If they disagree he decides.

Thanks for the clarification - I just didn't know the ruling on this point.

Are you sure? I was at an amateur game last week and both TJ's put their flags up but the ref didn't think it went over so disallowed it.

Anybody here complaining about the standard of refereeing thought about taking one of the many Ref's courses the RFL offers and maybe doing something themselves to increase the quality of refs? I have, and it's been a real eye opener.

No, it didn't go higher than the sticks. The video is inconclusive though as it was filmed from the North Stand, the only views that will provide proof are from the South and West.

TJs are the sole decision makers with regards to in-touch and awarding goals if officially appointed.

It's possible that at an amateur game they were volunteer TJs in which case the referee's decision is final.

He was wrong then:

[iIf there is no disagreement between the Touch Judges their decision shall be accepted.[/i

Must say ur talking out of ur a**e . The ref awards the goal not the tjs weather they stick u their flags or not

Look at the post immediately above yours, those are the exact words from The Laws of the Game. Do you contend that whoever wrote them is also talking out of his ar[is[/ie?

Fair enough, I think they were volunteers (1 from each team) though like the post from tim2 said, so I'm guessing it was his choice for each goal.

The ref has the final decision end off.

The touch judges decide on the goal! If they disagree, the ref is supposed to go with the one nearest to the upright which the ball passes closest by, as it is deemed that they would have the best view!the ref runs the game, but the act of kicking a goal and the touch in goal area is pretty much the touch judges domain

Good to see you know better than the RFL. Can you also tell us how Warrington remain under the cap, which RFL board member Gary Hetherington has dirt on, what Eamonn McManus eats for breakfast and what Ian Leneghan's ideal tuesday would be?

Whatever the laws say, I've often seen the ref overrule the TJs at amateur level even when both are in agreement.

But then some of the decisions are amateur level are mind-boggling.

Not that I'm dissing refs, mind, they're brave buggers.

No, you ignorant c?nt, you do NOt have to say "ur talking out of ur a**e". I answered someone's question and we were having a polite conversation. If I was not right, then you could say so without coming out with an opening remark that would get you separated from your teeth in many pubs.

Anyway, I won't respond in kind, but according the laws of the game, what I said is correct. And, we go on what the laws of the game say, not whatever comes into your puerile head.

Now run along.

Obviously I am commenting on that video, and yes the ball did (from that perspective) clear the posts. Which is the reason it is inconclusive.

However I think you're wrong since I reckon that if the ball did not go higher than the posts, then there is no possible camera angle from the sidelines, ie whether from below the top of the posts, above them, or level with them, in which you wouldn't see the ball pass in front of or behind a post.

"I believe it did go over," Vikings coach Betts told BBC Radio Merseyside.

"The referee might quote differently, but Rhys said he (Hicks) thought it went over. The linesmen put their flags down so he couldn't overrule them."

Odd, that.

As someone who knew Mr hicks as he was starting in the ref game, i will not comment on him as whatever I say will be biased.
However FA is correct: when I took the ref exams in Oldham (same as Mr Hicks but a year or so before), I was told that to over-rule the touch judges was sufficient to be asked to step down as a ref: you did not over-rule them.The rules state the same.
However, in the amateur game (and mine were mostly youths) the bias of some volunteer TJs was so obvious that I sometimes had to suggest they watched the game and I would ignore them.

Refs: once they make a decision, that decision stands unless another official can advise the ref. So a ref can realise it's cocked it up but the decision stands. No comment on cetain Leeds players.

Comedy. You'll be missed

If only his Dad had...

When are you going to stop sympathy-hunting you big tart?

You lost because,as ever,your side is rubbish.

It just wasn't the 50+ points hiding your garbage club usually gets week in week out.

Why do TJ's stand where they do when goals are being kicked? What I am trying to say is why doesn't one stand under each post and they look up, if it goes on the wrong side of the post the touch judge waves it away if it goes through he puts it up. As at the minute they stand on an angle and sometimes are virtually stood next to each other which surely would defeat the object of what are they doing.

as ever, you make your bell end troll credentials clear. I could stay here and argue on the internet with a no mark like you, but I have preferable things to do like actually leave the house and talk to real women (I know that's a difficult concept) or even crush my balls in a vice, which is also a better option.
Back in the box now dear.

all posts about referees here please