Classic Wigan, winning again.

Classic Leeds, poor losers.

Classic Bailey, thug. That about sums it up.

I suppose you could say:

Classic Tomkins acting a tool.

Many things happen during any game: flops, late tackles, verbals, handbags etc. Flashing the V's at the opposing fans, directly in front of the camera on National TV, in our top event (being viewed worldwide) is rather childish. We need all the support and sponsors we can get so hey lets give the nations biggest pro RU media channel a chance to show us in a poor light.

Poor judgement, deserves a fine/ban, and I would say the same if it had been a Leeds player like McGuire. I am a neutral.

Incidentally, fans can chant what they want (within the law) but players have a duty not to bring the game into disrepute.

It all seems like bad decisions that went against Leeds. What about Leeds second try! Ablett chucks the ball through his legs, didn't regain his feet and Leeds eventually scored in the corner! Wigan should have had a penalty on half way which would have gave us another great position to attack the Leeds line! At 16-4 half time Wigan have it won! Watch the replay and see for yourselves, Wigan when we have hit the front very rarely give away a lead! Maybe questions should be raised from the Leeds fans and players of how they only scored once between 40 and 60 mins when they chucked everything including the kitchen sink at Wigan.

I think you will find that Ablett was subject to interference as he wanted a quick play the ball could have been a penalty to Leeds but the ref let the play go on. Quite a lot of play the balls from Wigan and some from Leeds were illegal rolling the ball back and not actually placing the foot on top of the ball.

The reason Leeds didn,t score between 40 and 60 minutes, was because Wigan seemed to have had an invisible get out of jail card from the TJ's and Ref. This final will go down as one of the worst inept performances by officials in a final.

In saying the above, I still think Wigan would have won this game albeit in a different set of circumstances, instead of a hollow indignified one.

Wigan were the best team on the day and deserved to win even if they got a couple of dodgy calls. Had Leeds won it it would have been against the balance of play. I thought Leeds did well to 'rediscover' some rugby skills after being left at the starting gate, but they never really looked convincing. Unusualy inaccurate day with the boot by Sinfield also cost them.

What are your thought's on the matter when Lee Briers flicked the 'V' to the Leeds fans in a play off game only two years ago?

No? I thought not.

Tomkins was wrong, but if you was him and you were booed for wearing an England shirt with pride, would it not be possible for you to forget your status and public icon figure for a moment whilst caught up in the heat and passion of probably rugby leagues most passionate contest and maybe vent your anger/protests towards them?

I don't condone it but surely some people can see why he's done it?

People need to stop clutching at straws and get over it quickly!

As far as I could tell Danny McGuire was at the middle of it, good player with a bad attitude.

So the reason leeds couldn't get over the wigan line is because they had a get out of jail card? Nothing to do with wigan having great defence and aptitude to hold on to a narrow lead! Wigan never went behind in the game so we can't say that we had a get out of jail card at all! The leuluai try was clearly a try, there was no gap between ball and arm, benefit of the doubt was the correct call, the only call leeds can feel aggrieved about is the kick which went off charnley, however wigan would have had leeds in a great position!

And abblett made no attempt to regain his feet and made no attempt to play the ball,should ha have been a wigan penalty every day of the week!

Anyway I've had enough of debate! The super league and challenge cup are both covered in cherry and white ribbons and not blue and amber! That is all that matters to me! Wigan are back and the rest of the rl world don't like it!

Oooh nice and bitter.

Is that your stock answer to everything?

For today yes as it seems to be the only thing on the menu.

Poor officiating, all the bad calls went to Wigan and unfortunately for Leeds they resulted in scores. I watched the replays of Hicks and he was looking DIRECTLY at the ball and surely (unless he is incompetent, blind or had money on Wigan) he must have seen it come off the Wigan player.

The RFL could not have chose a worse game to put Hick and Childs in front of the nation.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but a player has to play at the ball in order to concede a scrum.

To clear this up, it was the 2006 playoff game, incidentally when Briers was a lot younger, brasher and generally more distasteful than his mellower present day incarnation.

Hopefully Tomkins will follow a similar route in his career. Sure he was an idiot, but he's young, brash and can come across as distasteful, but we all make mistakes. Give him a fine, make him publically apologise (although hopefully he will do this off his own back when he realises how foolish he was) and hopefully he will learn with age and experience.

If not, then maybe an Aussie hard man will change his mind...

Yup, pretty much how I saw it too.

Since when has deliberately diving/sliding towards the ball to gather it not been seen as playing for it?! Yes I agree it came off Charnley before going out, but if we're using your logic Burrows attempt to get the ball hit it into Charnley's legs before going into touch so it would still have been Wigan head and feed.

Another berk who answers his own question and then when corrected turns to puerile abuse. The point most people are making is that Tomkins did this on national, terrestrial TV. I don't think it's worth a ban but the fact that he hasn't even apologised yet is appalling, and I'm surprised given Maguire's reputation as a disciplinarian that he hasn't seen to it that Tomkins does do so. We need to keep this type of stuff out of our game as it's one of the many things that makes wendyball such a feeble spectacle most of the time.

So Because Briers was on Sky is doesn't matter? Did Briers apologise? Was your coach at the time not a disciplinarian?

Another y berk who answers his own question and then when someone points out a similar incident in the past, they retort to all the Wigan hating.

Pathetic y jealous scum.

Tomkins hit the ball, then ran past it, so it originally bounced backwards .. The ball then hit McGuire and bounced out.

How are ANY Leeds fans complaining about the referees and bias views?! Surely I'm not the only person who has picked up on constant forward passes by Leeds all season long, mainly Brent Webb. I couldn't count on 3 hands the amount of tries Leeds should have had disallowed due to blatant forward passes that touch judges and referees have not picked up. It's a fair call to say that Mossops final pass to Lima for his 2nd try drifted slightly forward, different angels on the replays show different. But, who believes in karma? ...

think you,ll find it left his hand in forward motion , a short pass as no time to drift forward

Ah another thread on VT about Wigan; we must be winning again.

Get a grip. How bitter are people about Wigan and Tomkins.

What did they do that wasn't dignified? They didn't give the decisions.
They played better than Leeds over all. Leeds lost because they blew the chances they got and some good Wigan defence stopped the rest.
They played well but gave themselves too much to do.

The ref wasn't great but he didn't change the game.