Anyone thinking a few temporary structures will save the wakey bid are deluded. It was disingenuous to use last night to promote an new 'lottery'.

Hope glover takes the relegation on the chin and backs wakey like o'connor did at widnes.

From what i hear it was promoted as a membership scheme/RFL box ticking exercise (5000 members thingy) with the chance of winning a few quid in the form of a lottery in return. This was clear from what i have heard.

Weren't all application for SL 2021-25 handed in March 31st? I don't really understand why teams are trying to add 'ticks' to boxes and the like after an application deadline for that deadline (fair enough the process to make themselves better for 2015 and beyond has started). Surely if a billionaire came in to Wakey and built a 15,000 seater stadium in 3 months that's still to late as it was never in that application...

You are not even worth the effort love... that is why every so often the mods give you time in the bin.... how many 'suspensions' have you had now?

You criticise Glover for doing all he can to keep the side he owns in SL... what a joker you are! What is wrong with a lottery if it achieves something the RFL have asked the clubs to achieve. I can't see you having a go at The Sleeve last year when he stood up at Headingley and launched Rhinos 4 Life off the back of getting fans in on the premise of 'consulting the fans' on the new South Stand... looks like the same plan to me! I thought copying the Rhinos commercial operation and ideas was a good thing in the eyes of the RFL???? Given that Leeds copied (borrowed with pride) large chunks Wakey's community programme, probably means even Leeds are not afraid of stealing a few good ideas!

You also accuse me of prejudice but I don't support either Cas or Wakey but argue for them to stay in SL. You also support another club but your prejudice against Wakey is well documented on here (under your previous names of course) and you argue for kicking them out. So, hand on here love... who is also being disingenuous?

Yep, and I don't think it was even immediately about the money the lottery will bring in (although, it make sense and helps longer term) but about the numbers signing up. When Leeds re-launched Rhinos 4 Life GH made no bones about saying what the money was going to pay for... a new South Stand, so it was all about getting an extra hundred quid a year out of the 10k plus season tickets holders, this was not launched like this although ultimatley if it is a success they will go more down this route and did mention the money generated going on youth development.

What is wrong with it? The prize is £500 quid a week and you have a very lows odds chance of winning, certainly more chance and more money than a golden gamble ticket. If you win once in five years, you break-even! This scheme is a trimmed down version of Rhinos 4 Life and it is hard to criticise the actual scheme.

I'd love Wakey's situation to be fair. What about Halifax's?

Stadium
Champions
Grand finalists last year
Crowd Average over 2,500
Turnover over 1 million
Junior set up - admittedly just starting up again but has produced many players playing in super league now

Basically all boxes ticked and a successful application. We know we're not gonna get in cos we dont play in a MFI car park in Edinburgh. What do we get? A certificate!! Cheers RFL. And if we dont meet the onfield criteria over next licence process - a super league standard club not allowed to apply!!!

Sh!t isnt it?

Funny how the wakey fans are not so supportive of the process now it may not be protecting their club's SL status eh?

The Rhinos4Life scheme was really just an enhanced re-launch of the old Rhinos 2000 scheme which itself was a re-launch of the old Loiners Guild. So whilst I'm sure more people will have signed up, the basis of the scheme itself had been in place for decades.

Of course mate, but it did get a big face lift under the new Rhinos 4 Life banner and more fringe benefits to fans and season ticker holders, it is also now a membership scheme with a lottery, rather than just a lottery... and the point about it being in place for decades is correct... that is why it is a good idea!

and Wakey are to believed yet again, because?

… still congratulations to them for getting ownership of the ground back fro the Irish Bankers or the Manx property company or whoever it was who owned the ground earlier this year …

We will be completely compliant (Over 12K, All under cover and enough of a percentage being seating.)

It is just a promise until contracts are exchanged and work starts.





Its pretty clear that Widnes missed out solely over their financial problems the previous year which were made by the previous owners the new owner even offered a £1M bond and he was still turned down Widnes had a nice shiny stadium as well.
Ted is the previous owner of Wakefield and he has made promises in the past about getting a shiny new stadium which have come to nothing (still waiting) they are now making promises about BV and Wakey have been in admin in the past 12 months.
Im sorry that doesn't look good.


Cas and Wakey and playing 'who can shout loudest'.
That is of little suprise knowing what is at stake.

Which would sort of make the RFLs fit and proper test of Glover to have been a waste of time.

bradford are fully aware that improvements are needed. however they arent as drastic as most people assume. going by the checklist wakefield have put up on their website showing how there ground improvements will increase there compliance bradford already tick most of the boxes. And thats in reality now, not pretty artists pictures of what they might be going to do. 12000+ capacity, 5000 covered seats, 750 corporate facility, 1000 lux floodlights and community/educational facility are all criteria that odsal either meets or exceeds in its current state. The only criteria on the list we dont meet is the 10000 under cover one, hence why plans to put a roof on popular side terrace are being re-evaluated. And this is something club can do without council support. Trying to do ground in one hit and being heavily reliant on council to fund it has been achilles heel of all the plans to upgrade odsal. Club has seen light now and is working on steady self/privately funded upgrades behind the scenes. They certainly arent being complacent with regard to 2015 franchises.

So, how do you know that is not what he is currently negotiating with BOI? He would probably get it for a steal and as long as the amount cleared the amount owned by Ted's off-shore company, then well below both it's current value and certainly long term value as housing land. That might be how he is able to invest in the improvements in the first place... you did think of that before you posted this did you not?

Equally, it matters not whether he does or doesn't own it if he has a secure tenure of lease, which I bet he has! The owner is not going to object to any work to improve something he owns by others, no matter how temporary. You also don't need to own land to gain planning permission on it, as I am sure you know, although I am unsure whether some of it needs planning and only building regs approval with it being temporary. Either way, I expect the planners will look to deal with it under delegated powers, so they only need to advertise it to give it the nod... no committee to worry about!

So, your point was again?

Can’t argue at all with the cynicism shown on this thread. As someone who queued for 20 minutes outside and waited a further 40 minutes for the first ’25 minute session’ to end, I felt thoroughly underwhelmed as the new filtered out. Yes this is a positive thing, let’s be honest it’s something that needed doing a long time ago, but worth the billing as the ‘most important meeting in the history of the club’, not a chance.

The stadium improvements will still not make it a SL complaint venue, so I can’t understand why some see this announcement as some sort of rescue act. If SL remains at 14 teams, Trinity will still be the ones to make way.

Not trying to get a bite or owt here, but isn't the Shay only Super League standard when the North Stand is 'fixed', work which will only take place if you get 'promoted'?

Even with those roofs added to Belle Vue, it's not the kind of stadium suitable for SL these days. It's good that improvements are being made, but they should have been completed a long time ago.

The roofs will make the view worse as well due to having supports located at the front.

Super League being played in it now, in Fax shirts!!!!

I have to say i dont know but think council are on to it

As far as I'm aware, the council have already put the money forward to get it 'done up' and that process has started. Plus I don't think it completely off limits, just reduced capacity so it's still 10,000 capacity for the stadium (which is what it needs to be..???).

To be honest I'm not sure exactly either way, but it's more 'maintenance' that needs doing, hardly a new stand being build or anything of which will be done if we get into SL or not.

It's not good that improvements are being made, in my opinion. Belle Vue will, in the very near future, be demolished. I would rather Wakey kept the money that would be spent on improvements and spend it on improving the infrastructure of the club instead.

Hopefully (and we have no reason to think otherwise) Wakey is now in reliable hands but I think the best for the long term future of the club is a spell in the championships. Re-build the club, get a new stadium and then build a powerful case for re-application to SL in 6 or so years time.

It's going to painful in the short term for Wakeys fans, but I think it's what's necessary for a strong Wakefield Trinity (please God get rid of the Wildcats name) to emerge in the longer term.

The same could be said about grounds that host Challenge Cup games against Super League opposition etc.


I thought the capacity requirement was up to 12,000 now? More chance of the North Stand redevelopment than your pink lot ever developing Tynecastle anyway eh, Tommy?



(Just trying to play a bit of devil's advocate and point out the inconsistencies in the 'grading' for licensing rather than poke a stick at 'Fax, by the way).

Who knows, give it a week and it'll be a different capacity requirement anyway probably

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I was going to come back with 'more chance of Halifax filling a re-developed stadium than your green lot eh, Matt' ... but no, no there isn't haha

Here to stay unfortunately.

Do they need planning to be passed on this? I can see quite a few objections.

How exactly would that be the best doing it from the championships?
Anything that needs doing can be done from super league level.