But the fact is that it already is QLD with a few Samoans Vs NSW with a few Kiwis.

Well not exactly, but you get my drift.

My whole point is that juniors should choose to play for the country they feel they are from. Origin should not come into the equation.

But it clearly does, and it is clearly hampering the development of other national teams.

There are 3 overseas born players in tonight's game all coming to Australia as young kids.
They had a choice of where their loyalty lies and could have done what many others have done like Benji Marshall.
Maybe they should state that they don't consider themselves Australian when they are selected for the Australian Schoolboys team.

On the subject of hampering overseas development maybe the dozens of Australians that played under other nations flags in the World Cup should not be allowed to do that in 2013

Still no one has answered the question of why you should have to be eligible for Australia to play SOO?

Because the people that make the rules are switched on.

Look whats happened to Superleague.


Aussies and Kiwis galore ....and the Pommie national side suffers as a result.

Imagine if the Poms had a similar series here and the sides were full of Aussies and Kiwis?? They would whinge more than ever!


Its a great idea to keep it an all Aussie eligible thing. State of Origin. One of the toughest series in world sport. The Aussie national side are ranked number one because they play in the best series in the world. Anyone who plays in Origin who is not eligible for the national side is doing a potential Kangaroo out of valuable experience.

so you agree then that it is to discourage Australians who are eligible to play for another country from choosing that country over Australia, there by missing out on chance to play SOO. Glad we cleared it up!

Now what's the excuses when NZ have another "shock" win in the quad nations?

You say that like it's supposed to be a bad thing.

I'm with you, why is a bad thing for Aussies to choose to play for their country rather than somewhere they left or their ancestors left.

Let me answer this one.



Ah DEEEERRRRRRRRRRR!

what do you want???

being 'eligible' for another country does not mean you must play for the smaller country to make them competitive. playing for a country means a commitment to that country, and it shold be for life. it is disgraceful that players such as hayne, jennings etc were allowed and encouraged to play for other countries because they didnt make australia to even up the tournament and 'create' competitive teams, and face no punishment when they are now needed for nsw and possibly australia at years end. if you play for a country, a national team, you should have to commit to them for life, which a lot of players had no intention of doing. we had australians in 9 out of 10 world cup teams because they werent good enough for the kangaroos.

in saying that, why would a player do that in the current climate when countries rarely play test matches and big tournaments. there needs to be a mid season rep break, where aus play origin, nz play rep footy and countries such as png, tonga, fiji and samoa play meaningful test matches in order to give all players a choice of who they wish to represent. if you choose nsw/qld and australia, so be it, if you choose the country of your families heritage then thats great for international rugby league, as long as you make your decision and arent allowed to change it.

Right, it seems you Aussies need things explaining a few times.

Origin is not a competition between people from NSW and Queensland. You've already admitted that. McManus is from Scotland/Darwin.


It is a competition where selection is based on where you first played senior rugby league. Am I right?

In which case, can somebody please explain why the hell you have to give up the chance of representing your homeland in order to play?

I thought Hayne and Jennings and most of the Origin players consider their homeland Australia? If they don't maybe they should move to the country where their Heart lies.

Why cant Australia decide the rules of its own competition? Just like many other sports.
The fact its where you played your game at 16 is nothing new everyone knows that Mate.
The fact that the series is only open to players that are eligible to be selected for Australia is also a known fact.
If Kiwis or other nations want to play in a series like "Australia's" state of origin go and start their own.

But the fact is that the competition has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with nationality, and excluding players based on nationality is unfair and borderline racist.

And it hampers the development of the international game. Offering a few past it cast offs does not make up for the loss of players like McManus and Hunt.

Although I'm sure Mcmanus could have just done a Jarryd Hayne and converted back to being an Aussie after the World Cup.

When you are born in a country with over seas born parents
Or
Arrive in a country as a child and are brought up in that countries culture and developed by that country.
At what point do you become a citizen and member of that country in YOUR opinion?

You seem to be suggesting players developed somewhere other than Australia are been rail roaded into becoming players for Australia.
If that is the case name one player.

Benji Marshall and many other Kiwis made their decision to play for the Kiwis that is their choice.

Why should a selection process that includes the SOO to choose Oz Test players be open to other nationalities?

Why cant Jamie Lyon play for England? Because there are rules.
Is changing the SL quota in the next few years Racist?

Is not being able to walk into Augusta or St Andrews and demand a game in shorts and thongs and being rejected against the law?
They have rules that they set.

Australia provided a couple of dozen players to foreign teams in the World Cup, they brought the Warriors into the NRL rather than another Oz team they develop many young players of Samoan, Tongan and Kiwi heritage into first rate players that then go on and represent a country of their heritage that did not develop or nurture their talents.

Dam Aussies they do nothing to help other nations.
Luckily they do a lot more for Pacific Nations including the Kiwis than England does for France, Wales and Scotland it seems.

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Although I'm sure Mcmanus could have just done a Jarryd Hayne and converted back to being an Aussie after the World Cup.


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He was asked and declined as he felt little connection with Scotland and he was asked to pay all of his own costs to attend pre cup training.

Just some information for you stupid pommy morons.


Michael Jennings was born in Blacktown you bloody stupid idiots, and Jarryd Hayne was born in Australia as well.



Now I know how some of you Poms are, I mean.....look at them.....they don't fit the model you want for white Australia, but unfortunantly for you people Australia is a nation of people from a million backgrounds.

Im sorry these great players, born and bred in Australia, don't fit into your 1940 Germany ideals, but you are just going to have to deal with it.

I am not suggesting that.
What I am suggesting is that players are choosing to represent Australia because they want to take part in Origin.

People like Karmichael Hunt who is Kiwi and would prefer to represent New Zealand. I think he made the wrong decision, but either way, he shouldn't be asked to choose.

Because at the end of the day, he is Kiwi but also 'originated' (as defined by SoO) in Queensland.


I think you'll find the SL are changing the quota precisely to avoid discriminating based on nationality. It would be a disgrace if the Leeds Rhinos only selected players elligible to play for England.


So you're comparing rules which needlessly discriminate based on nationality to a dress code now?



Don't get me wrong, the NRL has developed players for other nations, but Origin has also discouraged players from representing nations they feel they are from.

Ultimately, the idea of international sport is a competition of nationalities, not a competition based on where a player is developed.

By the way.....

A million different backgrounds who have to give up representing these backgrounds if they want to represent their state of origin.

It's the SoO elligibility rules which are clearly racially discriminatory for no apparent reason.

Well where is my African jersey because you know what, if you go far enough back I, like everyone else, can trace my roots back to the cradle of civilization!



I dont expect an idiot like you to understand how real life works. How even the white people around you didnt just appear out of your English soil, how black people can go back a few generations and find white blood in their family tree.

Idiots like you think people come in sealed bags!

Bloody moron!


These people were born, grew up and know nothing but the fact they are Australian. They know what they want, they know what is important to them.


And you, some stupid pommy loser on the other side of the world dares to question their life, their beliefs. You ****ing moron, you unimportant, insignificant fool!


I'd love to see Karmichael Hunt punch you right in the mouth you know. I'd love you to go into an Origin camp and tell these players they shouldnt be there, they have forced to be there.

Then you can go around and tell them why, because their Grandmother was born in New Zealand, their mother in England or even worse, because they have dark skin.

How dare you.

These men wear these jerseys with pride. Pride for their state, pride for their nation. They go out and shed blood every time they play, they put themselves in danger and they never flinch when asked if they want the honour again.

And you think you know what it means to THEM!

Hunt was born in New Zealand. Mcmanus was born in Scotland.


All I am saying is that both players should have the choice of who to represent: their country of birth or Australia, and that this should not disqualify them from representing their states of origin.

We're not talking about grand parents. I am talking choice, you don't want to give them the choice.

Why should Hunt have to choose between Queensland and New Zealand?

In fact, just answer this one question if you can:

Why can Mcmanus represent NSW but Benji Marshall cannot?

It is not fair on Marshall.

cause benji wants to play for kiwi's

Hunt had to make this decision:

Queensland + Australia
v
New Zealand

Now having heard him talk passionately about representing Queensland, it is inconceivable that this did not play on his thoughts when opting to play for Australia.

However, even if it didn't, it is still unfair on players like Marshall, who have clearly 'originated' from NSW as per the definition.

How do you know Hunt would prefer to play for NZ over Australia if it weren't for Origin?

How is it unfair on Marshall, who's passion for NZ was too great for Origin to lure him into playing for Australia? Marshall was eligible and could've played for NSW, but chose not to.