You conducted a poll or are you making things up again?

It has been funny watching you embarrass yourself on this thread. So thank you.

Not as embarrassing as calling Kevin Sinfield 'the best player in the world'.



Actually that's less funny than tragic.

It is less funny than tragic. Tragic isn't often funny.

But sometimes it is funny, like someone thinking that we should decide the best player in the world by looking at a video of the best tries and arguing vehemently about it, its tragic because its obvious they know nothing of what they speak, but funny because they believe so deeply that they do.

[url=http://www.superleaguefans.com/rugby-league/2013/01/05/why-kevin-sinfield-did-not-deserve-to-win-the-golden-boot.htmlHave a butcher's at this.[/url It's only a fan blog, but nails my feelings on the subject on the head - except I actually have no problem with him winning it, but as I said, just not as the best player in the world in 2012.

And it seems even Kev didn't think he should have won it:
[i"...personally I thought Sam would have won the award. He has been outstanding all year, is the current Man of Steel and it was a pleasure to play alongside him."[/i

Isn't it odd that King Kev thought someone who just 'scores pretty tries' should have won it. Yet according to you, King Kev "knows nothing of which he speaks"? Awkward.

Sinfield doesnt have anything to prove to you or any of the fan blogs you get your opinion from. As the great man himself, Golden Boot winner Kevin Sinfield, said "I remember when Andy Farrell won it in 2004, there was a similar response from them," he said. "I cannot do anything about that, I didn't pick the award, I didn't vote for it, but for me it is an honour to win.
"The Australians probably think the NRL competition is far superior to Super League. Whether they rate me or not I am not sure, but with a lot of the Australians they rate themselves very highly. There is nothing I can do about that.
"I am not bothered or interested in what they say, if they want to have a crack then they can fire away.............There is always a difference in opinion in who should win something like this "It is great to win the Golden Boot but I would swap it for an England World Cup win or another Grand Final win every day of the week," he explained.
"The team awards far outweigh the individual ones, it is really nice to win it but there are bigger prizes for teams at stake.""

But what does he know, he hasnt featured in the NRL bestest tries compilation

But he still thinks a player known for his INDIVIDUAL excellence, his evasive running, his prolific try scoring and his INDIVIDUAL skill, should have won it.

In fact, it would appear Sinfield agrees with me, not you. Now, I wonder who 'knows of what he speaks'...

He has never said that at all, He never said that he would pick Tomkins on the basis of his INDIVIDUAL excellence, evasive running, or prolific try scoring and INDIVIDUAL skill. He even helped you out by explaining his reasoning [i"He has been outstanding all year, is the current Man of Steel and it was a pleasure to play alongside him." [/iwhy have you made that up?

Yep, he's been outstanding all year, as acknowledged by his peers. Are you seriously trying to argue that Tomkins was outstanding for anything other than his individual excellence? Actually, given your last few pages of guff, you probably are.



Deary me. King Kev says the Golden Boot should have gone to a player acknowledged by everyone for his outstanding individual abilities, and you're trying to say otherwise.

You're sinking, lad.

Smokey League Publications dramatically reduced the number of overseas voters to the point it heavily favoured their own desired outcome. LP even refused to say who voted for who.

- After winning the Harry Sunderland Award in the 2009 GF......''It's not just me, there's a load of leaders in this team as you saw tonight, JP puts his hand up, Big Keith does, Disko, everyone of them at different times, they're a pleasure to play with.''

- After MOM against Wigan in 2012 Playoffs......''Look, I don't want the credit tonight. Our big men deserve it, our back 3, the whole team you know, i'm just doing my job and ultimately I get to kick the goals.''

- After breaking Lewis Jones' Leeds points record.......''I’ve played in some amazing teams. Obviously I’m delighted with the record, but the individual stuff is for when you finish playing. We’re a team sport, and I’m just the lucky one who gets to kick the ball over the posts.''

- After winning the Golden Boot award........"I think this club and this team is all about team awards. It is really nice to win an individual one but without every one of my team-mates and every one of the coaching staff, and everyone else doing their jobs, and doing them very well, it wouldn't allow me to do my job. We all play a small part in the organisation and I think this award represents the team, not just myself."

Sinfield always prefers to remain modest and instead praise his teammates and looking at the 5 other nominees only 1 of them is a teammate of Sinfield so that kinda narrows his choice down........so no it's not odd at all to see Sinfield praise a teammate instead, it's what he has always done.

Oh and he said he thought Tomkins ''would'' win........not ''should'' win.

One more quote from Sinfield to finish off (again from the playoff victory at Wigan)

''look it wasn't great, it wasn't pretty, but it didn't have to be.......we just had to win.''

Well it looks like I swayed out of this debate at the right time because look at what it has since descended into: a farce and it's not because of the Leeds fans.

Cronus is either trolling or clutching at the biggest ever set of straws I've seen on RLFANS. Fylde_Warrior I'm afraid keeps coming up with the same argument that the vote was fixed without coming up with any credible evidence. If anything Fylde_Warrior has repeated the same old argument throughout this thread that what this user has wrote must now be the gospel truth.

Big credit to SmokeyTA and The Printer under these strange debating circumstances. Hopefully a more stronger argument to why Kevin Sinfield doesn't deserved to be crowned world best player in the world will emerge shortly. Until then we'll all just have to put up with petty nitpicking.

It's been an interesting debate on here, and Big Jim Slade and SmokeyTA in particular, and several others too, have nailed the argument as to why Kevin Sinfield won the Golden Boot this year.
As for Fylde Warrior, I would love to know who this person is. It seems that he or she registered on RLFans specifically to post on this topic, and in doing so has made a number of posts that border on libel.
I would love to know why you do this and what your motivation is.
Why not come out into the open?

He will probably only come into the open if only whoever helped crowned Kevin Sinfield the Gold Boot winner came into the open too. Transparency works both ways!

Was thinking exactly the same thing myself!

Along with "Martyn Sadler in agreeing with people who agree with him" Shocker!

First off, contrary to the over zealous protestations of certain Leeds fans, I'm not saying he doesn't deserve the award (or 'an' award). He does, and I've said that from the off. But for "international player of the year"?

Looking at the justifications for the award - including your own - what you highlight is his performance in the grand final. Yes, a great performance and yes, he came back from adversity to lift the trophy. But is that worthy of an annual international award? And he's not the only player to be sparked out and suffer big knocks and come back to win a game. That sort of thing happens at every level.



The award is supposed to be for the "international player" of 2012. How can you really say he was the international player of 2012? Leeds had a pretty poor regular season and Kevin Sinfield himself certainly wasn't a stand-out individual for much of the season. England's international year was dire - a scraped win over the Exiles and a few easy wins against extremely weak opposition (Not Sinfield's fault, granted).

It seems you've changed your own criteria to make sure Sinfield got the award. The list of past winners is adorned with individuals who displayed truly outstanding talent alongside other assets such as leadership, toughness, etc, week-on-week, and putting it in at the highest international level. Yet all of a sudden it goes to someone for little more than being a great captain and an excellent kicker, someone has never really shone on the international stage.

Yes, by all means reward him for an outstanding career and unprecedented success over the years - but for international player of 2012? Leeds and Kevin Sinfield won the WCC and then had a pretty poor to average season (the CC run being a brief highlight) before peaking impressively in the last few games. Unless this is award is for recognition of his career, you've essentially awarded it for leading Leeds to the 4-5 good performances that mattered.

While I'm certainly not saying he's not an outstanding RL professional and not worthy of recognition, there's just something doesn't ring right about it all.

I thought o'loughlin might have won the golden boot, he seems a nice bloke when interviewed, had a couple of good games last year and his team finished on top of the league.

I was wondered who would try that argument first - "he didn't mean it, he was just being modest".

Now you claim to know what he was thinking, as opposed to what he actually said.

He could have done what you did and simply lied about what he said.

[i"...personally I thought Sam would have won the award. He has been outstanding all year, is the current Man of Steel and it was a pleasure to play alongside him."

"...for what it’s worth my vote would have gone to Sam Tomkins."[/i

Not much to misinterpret there, is there? He thought Tomkins would have won the award and would have voted for him.

Am I lying?

Tomkins, a player renowned for his individual skills, a player who fits the mould of previous winners much better than Sinfield.

Yet somehow you managed it. Deliberately of course, and go on again to try and invent something that plainly isnt there.

Instead of keeping on repeating yourself, show me which parts of that post are incorrect. You know, the direct quotes from the man himself you're struggling to understand.

Should be interesting.

This is wrong, You have provided no evidence whatsoever that Sinfield thought someone who just scores pretty tries should have won.

What you have done is pretend Sinfield saying "...personally I thought Sam would have won the award. He has been outstanding all year, is the current Man of Steel and it was a pleasure to play alongside him." Really means someone who just 'scores pretty tries' should have won it. Which it clearly doesn’t.

The frankly idiotic argument you are hiding behind to defend this blatant untruth is that YOU think Tomkins is a player known only for his individual skill, and are assuming that Sinfield does aswell and assuming that that was the reason why he nominated. Something you admonished The Printer for here


Was being proven wrong and shown up as a hypocrite as interesting as you expected?

If i was able to choose any player from super league to play at warrington, it wouldn't be Sinfield, in fact he wouldn't be my first choice from Leeds.

You mean apart from him saying he though it would go to Sam, and he would have even voted for it to go to Sam?

If you're going to start arguing semantics over 'would' and 'should', don't bother.


Oh dear. As for 'pretty tries', that's called paraphrasing a post from earlier in the thread. If that's a little too sophisticated for you, I apologise.

Tomkins ISN'T know for his individual skills?

Do you read this crap before you post it? Is he known for his leadership? Goal kicking? Captaincy? Tackling? Please, explain exactly what you think Sam Tomkins is known for, if it's not his outstanding individual talents.

You've proven nothing, except that your own King Kev agrees me, and not you or even the TotalRL panel, on the type of player he would have voted for to receive 'international player of the year'.

Let me remind you:
[i"...personally I thought Sam would have won the award. He has been outstanding all year, is the current Man of Steel and it was a pleasure to play alongside him."

"...for what it’s worth my vote would have gone to Sam Tomkins."[/i

thanks for that.

FWIW if i could choose one player from the NRL for Leeds it wouldnt be Cam Smith or Ben Barba.in fact, they wouldnt be the players i would choose from their respective clubs.

what weight it adds to this argument, i have no idea.