Population of Cas 40,000 ave att 7500
Population of Leeds 250,000 ave att 17000
work it out from that squire.

I shouldn't have bothered replying, because despite being faced with facts (even from some Wakey fans) you're still coming out with the same drivel. Why is it drivel? Because it's full of bias against a club who you clearly don't associate as having a face that fits with the elite and your replies prove that you're completely incapable of looking at it objectively.

Tell me, why do people from the Bradford, Wakefield, Huddersfield and even Castleford areas watch Leeds? How do they identify with Leeds? Why wouldn't they go and watch Bradford, Wakefield, Huddersfield or Castleford? After all they all have teams competing at the same level.

If anything Cas should be praised for holding onto such a consistently loyal fanbase over the years despite the many challenges and times of adversity the club have faced. But maybe [url=http://www.castigers.com/article.php?id=1181things are looking up[/url these days...

where the hell did you get a population of 250k for leeds?

or you could simply answer the question. I didnt say Cas cant do this that or the other, simply asked how they are execting to do it.

Because Leeds is a the third biggest city in the country, many people will have historic and family links with it. It is around 20 times bigger than Castleford, so the same cannot be said of Cas. However the vast vast vast majority of Leeds sales are still to people from Leeds or living in Leeds.
good on them. How can they grow it? thats all im asking for. And the only answer seems to be people from Leeds and Wakefield are randomly going to decide one day they are from a very small town they havent really been to before.

It's not a bad base to start working from is it?

Rome wasn't built in a day. If more SL clubs looked past their immediate doorstep, the sport would grow a lot faster than just chucking clubs into random places in the world and expecting the locals to take to it.

Bigger than which? London, Birmingham or Manchester?

Such as TW2?

Manchester.

Im not sure why thats funny, i guess i just dont see that much humour in 780k being bigger than 490k, im not up on these number jokes.

The smallest place in the most saturated market? Well yes, its pretty much the worst place to start.

But yes clubs do need to look past their immediate doorstep. But they need to actually do something if they are to succeed, and no one seems to be able to say what if anything other than 'hoping' Cas are doing.

I did, in the first reply I made. You simply chose to ignore it. As for [ihow[/i they plan to do it, I'm not a marketing person. The article linked to in my previous reply may be a decent starting point though.

Well hoping sometimes works, so good luck

while the entire city had a population of 770,800 (2008 est.).

Manchester's population was estimated to be 483,800 making it the seventh-most populous local authority district in England. Manchester lies within one of the UK's largest metropolitan areas; the metropolitan county of Greater Manchester had an estimated population of 2,600,100, the Greater Manchester Urban Area a population of 2,240,230.

So for Leeds you count the urban area whilst for Manchester you dont. You should work for the RFL!!!

well he's got all the rfl manuals.

LOL. Bigger than Glasgow? Bigger than Manchester?

By most measures, it's not even in the biggest city in Yorkshire.

im pretty sure Glasgow is in Scotland.

Cas fans hope it works, you hope it doesn't - time will tell I guess.

The point most Cas fans are seeking to make is that to base your argument on the official population of Cas is largely pointless. The new ground is equi-distant between Castleford and Pontefract. As has been pointed out, Pontefract doesn't have its own Rugby League team and so its not unreasonable to think that people of Pontefract who don't already have an allegiance to another RL club could be persuaded to come and watch and in time grow to have an affinity with their nearest local club.

It is easier to encourage new supporters along to a new stadium with clean and tidy facilities especially if the club that is playing there is reasonably succesful.

As has been mentioned earlier, perhaps you should be asking the fans of Warrington and Hull how their clubs increased their attendances markedly following a move into a new stadium.

Greater Manchester is a county, analogous to West Yorkshire, the City of Leeds and the City of Manchester are analogous at 780k and 490k respectively

Manchester and Greater Manchester arent the same thing.

But yes, The County of Greater Manchester is much bigger than the City of Leeds.

By what measure?

Implying your logic, whichever measure defeats your argument will do, presumably.

I dont hope it doesnt, i hope it does work. I just dont think hoping either way will make any difference.

But the people of Pontefract know they live in Wakefield, they arent in denial about it. So why, if they had the choice, will they choose to identify with the small town a couple of miles away, than their own city? Thats what Castleford are up against. You say Pontefract dont have a team, they do. Its called Wakefield. The same as Wetherby have a team. Its called Leeds.

It is indeed, but why go to your new stadium with clean and tidy facilities?

They spent boatloads of money, didnt fact the same competition in the local area, and had bigger markets to start off with. Hull didnt open the KC with the idea that their growth would come from Bridlington.

go on then.

The logic that you support the club that's where you live is pointless. I live pretty much in Wakefield, but horror of horrors ,I support Cas.

Why?

The people of Pontefract know they live in the town of Pontefract in the county of West Yorkshire. Most are aware they live in the metropolitan borough of Wakefield, though some are probably not even aware of this



That's a far cry from us (yes I'm a longtime Pontefract resident) having an affinity with the city of Wakefield any more than the town of Castleford. As far as I'm concerned Wakey is simply a small city half an hours drive away. Castleford is a town 10 mins drive away.

I cannot recall ever hearing any resident from Pontefract describing themself as living in Pontefract 'within' Wakefield!

Castleford Tigers is the nearest Superleague club to the towns of Pontefract and Knottingley and this I suggest is why residents of those towns are more likely to go along to watch them ahead of Wakefield Wildcats.

The Tigers draw support from Methley, Kippax and Garforth presumably because of its proximity rather than supporting Leeds Rhinos despite having a Leeds postcode. Under your argument this just wouldn't happen.

So they do know they live in Wakefield, and dont live in Castleford. Glad we agree.

but we dont see this happen in great numbers do we.