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| Quote ="Judder Man"Quote ="Traffic"I assume that prior to Lewis the big corporate sponsors were queuing at the door where they.
Do you think that the game has advanced or declined during Lewis' tenure?'"
Here,s another Luddite going back into the past, during the Lewis reign he has not achieved any big corporate name sponsors, but we do have "BIG Soup". We have not progressed in this department to give the game some precense.
The game has declined in Profile and Stature under Lewis, we,ve already voted on this forum with only 27% think that Lewis and Wood do any good. I work in Cumbria with loads of rugby fans, there they are 100% saying ..............Good Riddance.'"
Do you know what a Luddite is? I'm asking you to explain whether or not you feel RL has advanced or declined , I've not offered an opinion on it and yet rather than answer the post you incorrectly label me a Luddite. I'll try again on both points and make it easier for you
1. What were the major sponsors that have been lost as a result of Lewis being in post?
2. Do you think that the game in general has advanced or declined since Lewis took over.
If you don't have an opinion or answer just say so it's not an issue.
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| Quote ="Cripesginger"The money loaned to the clubs could have been wisely invested and provided a return with no risk. That has been lost. The money put into the bulls could be 'lost' if they go bust. A long lease on an empty stadium - so stupid for a sport with such limited funds.'"
You have to be one of the most economically illiterate people I've ever seen post on here.
Are you George Osbourne?
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| Quote ="Judder Man"
We once had a page of rugby league in the National Newspapers, then we went to column inches, now some days its a paragraph stiched on the side of the racing section, our Media performance is a disgrace.
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We also used to see regular gates of 20,000+ but that was mainly because there was buggerall else to do. Few people had a TV, even fewer had a car. The modern game isn't really competing with RU or even soccer, it's competing against games consoles, multi-channel, HiDef TV, car journeys to other attractions and any other number of sports & pastimes that were never within the imagination of a northern working family.
You label some of us Lewis Luddites, yet you are the one who keeps harking back to some mythical golden era
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| Quote ="cod'ead"We also used to see regular gates of 20,000+ but that was mainly because there was buggerall else to do. Few people had a TV, even fewer had a car. The modern game isn't really competing with RU or even soccer, it's competing against games consoles, multi-channel, HiDef TV, car journeys to other attractions and any other number of sports & pastimes that were never within the imagination of a northern working family.
You label some of us Lewis Luddites, yet you are the one who keeps harking back to some mythical golden era'"
Yet another one going back into the past.
We have a RL deputy chairman who is a director of a football club who if you are correct has to compete with other markets, yet this club manages 70 000 home fans, why has he not passed this on to Lewis + Wood.
If you really believe we are competing with games consoles and other attractions maybe Wood could come up with a wacky idea of having the magic weekend at Alton Towers.
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| Quote ="Judder Man"Yet another one going back into the past.
We have a RL deputy chairman who is a director of a football club who if you are correct has to compete with other markets, yet this club manages 70 000 home fans, why has he not passed this on to Lewis + Wood.
If you really believe we are competing with games consoles and other attractions maybe Wood could come up with a wacky idea of having the magic weekend at Alton Towers.'"
You should seek help, you're borderline psychotic
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| Quote ="Judder Man"This is why McManus has asked for transparency and control in the future. Another example of incompetence, Lewis and Wood (RFL) did not have any creditable control or transparency of a certain Club when certain players were operating a season on Holiday Visas.'"
A season? Try 3 seasons
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| Quote ="Dreamer"True, but then there isn’t a chairman in SL that could spot one. By that I mean a sustainable one that does not rely on a rich benefactor. A Leeds or a Wigan has to start somewhere, the key is spotting where that seed will grow and we have not seen a good track record of this. I’d be all for replacing half of the clubs in SL to bring in a few “Birminghams”, “Bistols”, “Edinburghs” and turning them into “Leeds and Wigans”.
Heck, it would be nice if all the other clubs in SL could get near Leeds success (on and off the field) but they don’t, and I get the feeling some won’t any time soon.
RL needs a strong willed leader with a vision and the drive and contacts to make it work and even then he (she) will have to drag half the SL chairmen kicking and screaming all the way.
Oh I love you,you want to dream up teams in places like them ...I wish I lived in the franchise fairies garden wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
how about spending some of this 30 million the ball boy is braggin he is spending this year on established teams not pie in the fookin sky pipe dreams
Some of you should apply because you seem to think turning your back on places that have 100 years of history should get you elected.....cue smokey the franchise fairy to say they have had there time
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| Quote ="Kosh"You have to be one of the most economically illiterate people I've ever seen post on here.
Are you George Osbourne?'"
Is it your illiteracy or economic illiteracy that leads you to write Osbourne rather than Osborne?
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| Quote ="jesus-is-coming"Quote ="Dreamer"True, but then there isn’t a chairman in SL that could spot one. By that I mean a sustainable one that does not rely on a rich benefactor. A Leeds or a Wigan has to start somewhere, the key is spotting where that seed will grow and we have not seen a good track record of this. I’d be all for replacing half of the clubs in SL to bring in a few “Birminghams”, “Bistols”, “Edinburghs” and turning them into “Leeds and Wigans”.
Heck, it would be nice if all the other clubs in SL could get near Leeds success (on and off the field) but they don’t, and I get the feeling some won’t any time soon.
RL needs a strong willed leader with a vision and the drive and contacts to make it work and even then he (she) will have to drag half the SL chairmen kicking and screaming all the way.
Oh I love you,you want to dream up teams in places like them ...I wish I lived in the franchise fairies garden wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
how about spending some of this 30 million the ball boy is braggin he is spending this year on established teams not pie in the fookin sky pipe dreams
Some of you should apply because you seem to think turning your back on places that have 100 years of history should get you elected.....cue smokey the franchise fairy to say they have had there time'" '"
I thought distributing it to Super League clubs counted as established clubs to be honest. Obviously not.
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| Quote ="jesus-is-coming"Oh I love you,you want to dream up teams in places like them ...I wish I lived in the franchise fairies garden wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
how about spending some of this 30 million the ball boy is braggin he is spending this year on established teams not pie in the fookin sky pipe dreams
Some of you should apply because you seem to think turning your back on places that have 100 years of history should get you elected.....cue smokey the franchise fairy to say they have had there time'" As a franchise fairy, it gives me great pleasure to be the one to inform you, the vast, vast, vast, majority of that £30m was distributed to heartland clubs.
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| Quote ="Traffic"I assume that prior to Lewis the big corporate sponsors were queuing at the door where they.
Do you think that the game has advanced or declined during Lewis' tenure?'"
TBH i dont think it has advanced.
I know your on about sl and not the rest of the pro game so hear goes.
The fact the sport needs franchising/licensing when no other major sport has it tells me the sport has failed in the last ten years or so,' especially when more than half the the clubs in the licensed league are no bigger than half a dozen of those stuck outside it.
The fact that people on this particular board keep banging on about how attendences or on the up when we all know the attendances are being artificially raised through ridiculously cheap season tickets or even worse giving tickets away for nothing in an attempt to make there average atttendance look good come the end of the season'.false economy springs to mind.
The fact that we are no closer to the aus/nz teams and 'IMO' all the kids coming through are no different than what they were in years gone by IE no No1s 6s 7s 9s 13s of any real quality.
I'm not saying anything is worse i'm just saying nothing at all has changed which is pretty ridiculous considering sky have pumped tens of millions into the game in the last 17 yrs, which is money that wasn't there in years gone by
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| Quote ="jesus-is-coming"Quote ="Dreamer"True, but then there isn’t a chairman in SL that could spot one. By that I mean a sustainable one that does not rely on a rich benefactor. A Leeds or a Wigan has to start somewhere, the key is spotting where that seed will grow and we have not seen a good track record of this. I’d be all for replacing half of the clubs in SL to bring in a few “Birminghams”, “Bistols”, “Edinburghs” and turning them into “Leeds and Wigans”.
Heck, it would be nice if all the other clubs in SL could get near Leeds success (on and off the field) but they don’t, and I get the feeling some won’t any time soon.
RL needs a strong willed leader with a vision and the drive and contacts to make it work and even then he (she) will have to drag half the SL chairmen kicking and screaming all the way.
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Oh I love you,you want to dream up teams in places like them ...I wish I lived in the franchise fairies garden wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
how about spending some of this 30 million the ball boy is braggin he is spending this year on established teams not pie in the fookin sky pipe dreams
Some of you should apply because you seem to think turning your back on places that have 100 years of history should get you elected.....cue smokey the franchise fairy to say they have had there time'"
WHOOOOOOOSH!
Do you actually read what people write?
I didn't say anything in favour of franchising.
I actually said that the key to growing a team to be a "Leeds" or "Wigan" is spotting where the seed will grow best and commented we are not very good at this. The names were merely an example of places that might, or MIGHT NOT fit the bill. I could have written anywhere, including the heartlands.
My own club is Keighley and I would bl00dy love a shot at SL, but I can't realistically see that happening without a big money backer.
Take off your agenda specs and read what people say
Ohh, and I think you'd look lovely in a tutu
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| Quote ="Judder Man"Yet another one going back into the past.
We have a RL deputy chairman who is a director of a football club who if you are correct has to compete with other markets, yet this club manages 70 000 home fans, why has he not passed this on to Lewis + Wood.
If you really believe we are competing with games consoles and other attractions maybe Wood could come up with a wacky idea of having the magic weekend at Alton Towers.'"
You really have no idea, do you!
For a start, you're saying that Lewis' performance is poor. You HAVE to look at the past to be able to make a statement like that, so don't complain when people use facts to knock down your one-eyed theory.
You're the one talking about all these sponsors we should have and once had. Again, have to compare to the past to make statements like that.
As for the RL deputy chairman, are you completely stupid? Do you think there's like some kind of secret method that will turn RL around and this guy knows it simply because he works with a successful football club? Do you really think that's how it works?
Why don't you answer people's questions instead of throwing insults at them for daring to question your theories?
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| What's intrigueing me is the suddenness of the announcement and speed with which he's leaving.
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| Isn't that how most job changes happen? couple of weeks notice and all that?
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| Quote ="JB Down Under"Isn't that how most job changes happen? couple of weeks notice and all that?'"
Not so much at this level - I would have expected it to be more on the lines of 'leaving at the end of the season'. I'm wondering if after the Crusaders and Bradford 'problems' there's been a behind the scenes 'coup'.
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| Surely he was on 3 months notice if not 6 months but maybe not.?
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| Maybe the tennis job came up after the previous guy went to RU , he got interviewed, accepted and then said goodbye like in any job
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| The position was open and im pretty sure the All-england club wanted someone in ASAP, they have some big event or something in a couple of months.
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| I've rarely known anyone work their notice period especially if it's an extended period. Three & six months notice periods are negotiated as a buffer and nothing else. The last thing I'd want is someone in position, knowing that their mind is on the next job. Better to shake hands and move on
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| Quote ="Big Ask"Surely he was on 3 months notice if not 6 months but maybe not.?'"
perhaps he gave his notice 3/6 months ago. Just because he only announced it now doesnt mean it happened now.
Fairly standard I would say - if he publicly gave 6 months notice it could potentially cause anarchy in the running of the game and diminish his power base.
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| Who would he hand his letter of resignation to? Himself?
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| Quote ="freddies wig"Who would he hand his letter of resignation to? Himself?
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Head of personnel + CEO and non execs
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| Quote ="freddies wig"Who would he hand his letter of resignation to? Himself?
(A serious question, believe it or not!)'"
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| Quote ="freddies wig"Who would he hand his letter of resignation to? Himself?
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