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| Quote ="Gronk!"Cas were never going to play out of Newmarket
The Keepmoat on the other hand however...
The £4m the council offered would have covered the shortfall from Ben Bailey homes, meaning Castleford Tigers RLFC and the WMDC would have paid, meaning Wakefield would have only had to pay rent.'"
LOL yes I'm sure it would.
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| Quote ="bren2k"Cas would have had the option to share at NM - the tidy stadium you describe, situated just off the M62 and equidistant between Wakey and Cas.
I think Tricky Dicky has scuppered that one though, given that he's just made CRTLFC an objector to the planning permission.'"
I have just seen where Newmarket is on google (I think).
Thats just bloody mental. Wakefield council should just build a cracking community facility there, tell both teams to groundshare, and if Cas object let them go it alone.
Bloody madness.
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| Quote ="Wheels"I have just seen where Newmarket is on google (I think).
Thats just bloody mental. Wakefield council should just build a cracking community facility there, tell both teams to groundshare, and if Cas object let them go it alone.
Bloody madness.'"
Wakefield rejected that chance.
The council suggested that they pay for a feasibility study to see whether Glasshoughton or Newmarket would be the better choice and then both teams play in the stadium, Wakefield said NO.
The only team at fault for both teams not being in a new stadium is WAKEFIELD.
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| Quote ="Gronk!"Wakefield rejected that chance.
The council suggested that they pay for a feasibility study to see whether Glasshoughton or Newmarket would be the better choice and then both teams play in the stadium, Wakefield said NO.
The only team at fault for both teams not being in a new stadium is WAKEFIELD.'"
The council shouldn't have given the teams a choice. They should have done their own feasability study, told both teams where the new stadium was going, and told them to either move in or shut up.
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| Quote ="Wheels"The council shouldn't have given the teams a choice. They should have done their own feasability study, told both teams where the new stadium was going, and told them to either move in or shut up.'"
Wakefield said no for that very reason, they knew Glasshoughton would have been the councils recommendation.
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| Quote ="Gronk!"Wakefield said no for that very reason, they knew Glasshoughton would have been the councils recommendation.'"
And you know this as fact how?
Looks like Newmarket is a far better site for a groundshare (to the untrained eye admittedly).
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| Quote ="Gronk!"Wakefield rejected that chance.
The council suggested that they pay for a feasibility study to see whether Glasshoughton or Newmarket would be the better choice and then both teams play in the stadium, Wakefield said NO.
The only team at fault for both teams not being in a new stadium is WAKEFIELD.'"
So, you would have been happy Cas being a tenant at Newmarket if that is what the study concluded then Gronk? You do surprise me!
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| Quote ="Inflatable_Armadillo"So, you would have been happy Cas being a tenant at Newmarket if that is what the study concluded then Gronk? You do surprise me!'"
We all know they were edging their bets.
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| Quote ="Inflatable_Armadillo"So, you would have been happy Cas being a tenant at Newmarket if that is what the study concluded then Gronk? You do surprise me!'"
What would stop each team having a 33% steak in the stadium with WMDC having 34%...?
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| Quote ="Gronk!"Cas were never going to play out of Newmarket '"
Very prudent of Wakefield not to spend rate payers money on a feasibilty study then wasn't it
Here's a gentle hint, remember what you post.
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| What amuses me is the fact that RW doesn't mention the word "object" in his letter. The fact that he's responded to someone, who just so happens to be responding to an objector means that Wakey fans have completely took this OTT.
Had this come directly from the inspector, would they still be kicking up a fuss? Probably on a lesser scale. As it is, this was ALWAYS going to be considered/asked as the objectors would have brought this up anyway, with or without a response.
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| As a point of order WMDC are not building the stadium, the developers wanting to build the warehousing and industrial units at the same site are putting in the majority. This funding is not transferrable and not only does it give the district a fantastic stadium and associated sporting facilities, but offers the prospect of 2,000 jobs for people in times when jobs are hard to come by.
You need to ignore anything Gronk claims to be fact, considering he told everyone who would listen that Peter Gentle was the new Cas coach!
He mentions the Ben Bailey deal in his previous posts, yet fails to mention they had only bought the option to purchase the site. The fact the housing market was on it's arris when the councils offer of 2m of land to each club to use towards securing funding was made, meant Ben Bailey were never in reality going to exercise the option and certainly not at the price originally agreed and far more knowledgeable cas fans than Gronk said as much at the time
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| Quote ="Wheels"The council shouldn't have given the teams a choice. They should have done their own feasability study, told both teams where the new stadium was going, and told them to either move in or shut up.'"
That's it though the council aren't paying for Newmarket, the whole sporting complex is being paid for by the developers and is going to be a community stadium,where Trinity don't own it but are paying tennants. Whereas GH has to be paid for by the clubs, or wherever they can get it, that's the big difference.
Cas wouldn't give a monkeys about Trinity and their stadium if they had all the money and were pressing forward.
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| Quote ="Fully"What amuses me is the fact that RW doesn't mention the word "object" in his letter. The fact that he's responded to someone, who just so happens to be responding to an objector means that Wakey fans have completely took this OTT.
Had this come directly from the inspector, would they still be kicking up a fuss? Probably on a lesser scale. As it is, this was ALWAYS going to be considered/asked as the objectors would have brought this up anyway, with or without a response.'"
You don't think RW knew exactly what he was doing when he answered the objectors call, he was sticking his finger in the hole and giving it a little poke. I'm sure if the shoe was on the other foot and Glover popped up and was only too willing to help the objectors, Cas fans would have plenty to say as well.
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| Quote ="Fully"What amuses me is the fact that RW doesn't mention the word "object" in his letter. The fact that he's responded to someone, who just so happens to be responding to an objector means that Wakey fans have completely took this OTT.
Had this come directly from the inspector, would they still be kicking up a fuss? Probably on a lesser scale. As it is, this was ALWAYS going to be considered/asked as the objectors would have brought this up anyway, with or without a response.'"
How many times does it have to be said for the usual cas suspects to get the message. His letter assists the objectors on a key point within the PI and is purely intended to de-rail the newmarket project. What could then happen is that rather than 2 new stadiums in the area (note I didnt use the word community cos yours aint one), there will be none.
If he had a brain cell, he would have been backing the NM site as his fall back so that you could play there as well if GH failed or until it was sorted.
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| Quote ="Tricky2309"You need to ignore anything Gronk claims to be fact'"
This.
For anyone who is actually interested in the subject, I'd suggest doing your own research; either way up, disregard the blustering nonsense that Gronk posts - he's a known blowhard with zero credibility.
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| Quote ="Tricky2309"How many times does it have to be said for the usual cas suspects to get the message. His letter assists the objectors on a key point within the PI and is purely intended to de-rail the newmarket project. What could then happen is that rather than 2 new stadiums in the area (note I didnt use the word community cos yours aint one), there will be none.
If he had a brain cell, he would have been backing the NM site as his fall back so that you could play there as well if GH failed or until it was sorted.'"
And again, I refer you back to the fact that this would have been brought up anyway. What difference does it make? Zero. All it does is reaffirm that GH, when built, will be open to WTWRLFC to use. Simple as.
All it does is reaffirm the facts. He has not objected, nor asked to present his own opinion in any way, shape or form. And I also repeat, if the Inspector had asked RW the very same questions and the very same response would have been produced, would you still be kicking up a fuss? After all, that still gives the objectors 'evidence' to use, if you can call it that, notwithstanding the fact they'd have said it anyway.
Furthermore, this is an Inspector who has to be impartial and investigate all aspects of the application and the background and also look at the Special Circumstances Wakefield have claimed.
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| Cas have made a big gamble on getting funding for their stadium, which if it comes off will give them a strong revenue stream going forward. If it doesn't come off they will either have to play elsewhere, and pay rent, or drop out of SL - that has been made clear by the RFL.
Wakey have no chance of buying their own new stadium, but have a business plan which means they can afford to be anchor tenants in a community stadium and still play in SL - their revenue stream wouldn't be as strong, but after maintenance/staffing costs of a stadium might not be too far away from Cas' potential.
The big difference is that if Wakey play at GH then Cas get yet more revenue, whereas if Cas play at NM the COMMUNITY benefits from the extra revenue to the stadium.
RW has now made it difficult for Cas to swallow their pride in the event of GH failure and play at NM (IF it is built!) - it's a very high risk strategy, and if I were a Cas fan I wouldn't be too happy with my clubs future being gambled with like this.
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| Quote ="Fully"And again, I refer you back to the fact that this would have been brought up anyway. What difference does it make? Zero. All it does is reaffirm that GH, when built, will be open to WTWRLFC to use. Simple as.
All it does is reaffirm the facts. He has not objected, nor asked to present his own opinion in any way, shape or form. And I also repeat, if the Inspector had asked RW the very same questions and the very same response would have been produced, would you still be kicking up a fuss? After all, that still gives the objectors 'evidence' to use, if you can call it that, notwithstanding the fact they'd have said it anyway.
Furthermore, this is an Inspector who has to be impartial and investigate all aspects of the application and the background and also look at the Special Circumstances Wakefield have claimed.'"
Why would the inspector be talking to rw if he had not joined the objectors .The question would never have come up
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| Quote ="Wheels"What would stop each team having a 33% steak in the stadium with WMDC having 34%...?'"
a distinct lack of common sense.
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| Quote ="kellys eye"Why would the inspector be talking to rw if he had not joined the objectors .The question would never have come up
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Because Yorkcourt have to prove special circumstances for a stadium to be in the Greenbelt. The one point they raised was no other suitable sites in Wakefield District. Obviously, the availability of such a potential stadium at Castleford which can be used goes against that and so the objectors are using that as part of their evidence (and has been used all along). Take a look at the WAR website, for example.
This issue would have been brought up anyway at some point and this would have been explored, as any inspector would, as evidence in full before making a final and comprehensive decision.
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| Quote ="Winter is Coming"a distinct lack of common sense.'"
No - a distinct lack of facts; WMDC have never offered to fund any part of the stadium build - it's being fully funded by the developer (YorkCourt) as part of a wider commercial development on the site. If it passes the PI, they will sign a 106 agreement to that effect.
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| Quote ="bren2k"No - a distinct lack of facts; WMDC have never offered to fund any part of the stadium build - it's being fully funded by the developer (YorkCourt) as part of a wider commercial development on the site. If it passes the PI, they will sign a 106 agreement to that effect.
HTH.'"
I see, thanks.
So what have WMDC put to the project then, just the land?
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| What a tedious thread. Just move into one fskin' stadium you dumbasses.
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| Quote ="Wheels"I see, thanks.
So what have WMDC put to the project then, just the land?'"
Yorkcourt own the land I believe.
The council have offered both clubs land to loan against as equity I believe.
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