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| Quote ="LeythIg"I'm not feeling hard done to, I've also not seen any Leigh fans suggesting that we should be given a license either. Doesn't mean we can't have an opinion on the system that is in place.'"
I think banging on and on about the injustice of it all just because early doors in the league you are riding high (like you were last season) speaks volumes about this.
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| Quote ="LeythIg"I thought the thread title was created by a mod that had merged several threads on the same subject'"
I think it was just THE at the start and THREAD at the end of the title that was added by mods. The middle part is the original.
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| Quote ="Pepe"I think it was just THE at the start and THREAD at the end of the title that was added by mods. The middle part is the original.'"
Ah, fair dos then. To be honest, once a thread goes to 16 pages I forget what it was about in the first place. I only pipe up to pass the time at work! ![Wink icon_wink.gif](//www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//icon_wink.gif)
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| Quote ="Pepe"You didn't get relegated. As Chris has said, off the field circumstances saved Leigh. =#FF0000:13hyy7obPerhaps they should have promoted an extra club from Ch1 and sent your club down?[/
The RFL did consider that , which means , we were relegated , if we hadn't been , they could not have considered it
It was several weeks after the end of the season until the RFL decided to put us back in the Championship , we were relegated on the last day of the 2009 season
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| Starbug, you are arguing semantics. Did you play a single game in championship 1?
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| Quote ="LeythIg"Perhaps they should have. Perhaps they decided that Leigh were the highest placed team in the league which could have moved up to the Championship. Perhaps this is an argument for 2 years ago? '"
Surely it would have been fairer to promote a Ch1 club which had done well and finished high in the league and got to the semi finals, rather than a club struggling near the bottom of the Championship?
That would have rewarded the on-field performance of the club?
Do you reckon that the RFL just offered that place to Leigh because they were likely to be able to prosper in the Championship better than any club in Ch1?
I think that’s the most likely answer. So, Leigh benefited for what they had in place off the field rather than on it.
It may have been 2 years ago, but I didn’t hear a single Leyther whinging about player performance elevating them to a higher league then, in a way they are doing now.
It’s called hypocrisy!
Or perhaps, selective memory?
Quote ="LeythIg"Perhaps Leigh's relegation / reinstatement is something Widnes fans are using as a some sort of petty deflection tool against anyone that questions anything that relates to their club'"
Why would we want to do that?
Everything is looking great at Widnes at the moment. We just need to show up the hypocrites for what they truly are.
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| Quote ="Chris Dalton"Starbug, you are arguing semantics. Did you play a single game in championship 1?'"
That is irrelivant , the RFL restructured the divisions in the off season , on the last week of the regular season we were relegated
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| Quote ="Starbug"That is irrelivant , the RFL restructured the divisions in the off season , on the last week of the regular season we were relegated'"
How on earth is it irrelevant ? ![Laughing icon_lol.gif](//www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//icon_lol.gif) We're talking about you being demoted to championship 1. Did you play a single game in championship 1?
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| Quote ="Starbug"The RFL did consider that , which means , we were relegated , if we hadn't been , they could not have considered it
It was several weeks after the end of the season until the RFL decided to put us back in the Championship , we were relegated on the last day of the 2009 season '"
That’s makes leigh fans even bigger hypocrites then. It means you were elevated into a higher league based on off the field issues. You can’t even say that it was a case of what we have we hold. ![Smile icon_smile.gif](//www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//icon_smile.gif)
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| Quote ="Chris Dalton"How on earth is it irrelevant ?
We're talking about you being demoted to championship 1. Did you play a single game in championship 1?'"
So you only get relegated on the 1 st day of the following season ? , no you get relegated when the RFL say you are relegated , they told us we were relegated
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| Quote ="Starbug"So you only get relegated on the 1 st day of the following season ? , no you get relegated when the RFL say you are relegated , they told us we were relegated'"
And they saved you from relegation later on because of Gateshead. You were never in championship 1, because you operated the following season in the championship with the same cap and rules as the rest. You were to be relegated, but you were saved from it. You never felt the sting of relegation ergo you were not relegated.
As I say, it's all semantics from you.
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| Quote ="Pepe"Surely it would have been fairer to promote a Ch1 club which had done well and finished high in the league and got to the semi finals, rather than a club struggling near the bottom of the Championship?
That would have rewarded the on-field performance of the club?
Do you reckon that the RFL just offered that place to Leigh because they were likely to be able to prosper in the Championship better than any club in Ch1?
I think that’s the most likely answer. So, Leigh benefited for what they had in place off the field rather than on it.
It may have been 2 years ago, but I didn’t hear a single Leyther whinging about player performance elevating them to a higher league then, in a way they are doing now.
It’s called hypocrisy!
Or perhaps, selective memory?
Why would we want to do that?
Everything is looking great at Widnes at the moment. We just need to show up the hypocrites for what they truly are.'"
I'd say most leythers acknowledged that we were very very lucky.
It's still totally irrelevant to Super League franchises though.
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| Quote ="LeythIg"I'd say most leythers acknowledged that we were very very lucky.
It's still totally irrelevant to Super League franchises though.'"
So are Leigh ![SUBMISSION c020.gif](//www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//c020.gif)
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| Quote ="Chris Dalton"And they saved you from relegation later on because of Gateshead. You were never in championship 1, because you operated the following season in the championship with the same cap and rules as the rest. You were to be relegated, but you were saved from it. You never felt the sting of relegation ergo you were not relegated.
As I say, it's all semantics from you.'"
Let him have that if he wants it, Chris.
At least we had to submit a bid to be promoted to a higher league, and be judged against others for it. They were promoted to a higher league without the other, more worthy on the field Ch1 clubs, who had a great season, being able to make a bid themselves.
Christ, the more I think about it, the more sorry I feel for the club that must have missed out.
But that’s RFL favouritism for you. ![Wink icon_wink.gif](//www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//icon_wink.gif)
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| Quote ="LeythIg"I'd say most leythers acknowledged that we were very very lucky.
It's still totally irrelevant to Super League franchises though.'"
It's not if you're arguing that Widnes should not be promoted for off the field processes.
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| Quote ="Pepe"Let him have that if he wants it, Chris.
At least we had to submit a bid to be promoted to a higher league, and be judged against others for it. They were promoted to a higher league without the other, more worthy on the field Ch1 clubs, who had a great season, being able to make a bid themselves.
Christ, the more I think about it, the more sorry I feel for the club that must have missed out.
But that’s RFL favouritism for you.
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Yes, I do feel sorry for the other C1 finallist not given the chance to ply their trade in the championship thanks to political favouritism which Leigh benefitted from.
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| Quote ="Pepe"Let him have that if he wants it, Chris.
At least we had to submit a bid to be promoted to a higher league, and be judged against others for it. They were promoted to a higher league without the other, more worthy on the field Ch1 clubs, who had a great season, being able to make a bid themselves.
Christ, the more I think about it, the more sorry I feel for the club that must have missed out.
But that’s RFL favouritism for you.
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Exactly , we didn't do anything , we didn't ask . we didn't submit a bid , we just did what we were told to do , if they had put Oldham up , then fine , no problem
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| Quote ="Starbug"Exactly , we didn't do anything , we didn't ask . we didn't submit a bid , we just did what we were told to do , if they had put Oldham up , then fine , no problem'"
![Laughing icon_lol.gif](//www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//icon_lol.gif) Yeah right.
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| Quote ="LeythIg"I'd say most leythers acknowledged that we were very very lucky.
It's still totally irrelevant to Super League franchises though.'"
No it isn’t.
If anything, what happened with Leigh is even worse. But the problems and ramifications are exactly the same.
A club missed out on promotion because another club was regarded, by the RFL, as being better off the field. This is now something which some Leythers, with a very selective memory, seem to be getting hot under the collar about now, but not 2 years ago.
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| Quote ="Chris Dalton"It's not if you're arguing that Widnes should not be promoted for off the field processes.'"
We weren't promoted , you havent been promoted
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| Quote ="Pepe"I think it was just THE at the start and THREAD at the end of the title that was added by mods. The middle part is the original.'"
The original title was 'From a Halifax Fan to the RFL'. It is still there in the original post at the top of the thread.
Just in the interests of accuracy and pedantry ![Wink icon_wink.gif](//www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//icon_wink.gif)
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| Quote ="Starbug"Exactly , we didn't do anything , we didn't ask . we didn't submit a bid , we just did what we were told to do , if they had put Oldham up , then fine , no problem'"
Bollox!
I bet AT was on the phone to the fat b*stard as soon as he heard Gateshead we're in deep financial trouble. ![Laughing icon_lol.gif](//www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//icon_lol.gif)
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| Quote ="prehensile"The original title was 'From a Halifax Fan to the RFL'. It is still there in the original post at the top of the thread.
Just in the interests of accuracy and pedantry
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Fair enough. Either way, the title is what is causing the problems and misunderstanding.
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| Quote ="Pepe"Bollox!
I bet AT was on the phone to the fat b*stard as soon as he heard Gateshead we're in deep financial trouble.
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Nope , we had no contact with the RFL , they contacted us , and asked if we would be prepared to take Gatesheads place in the Championship
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| Quote ="Starbug"We weren't promoted , you havent been promoted'"
Of course we have been. We've been promoted to a higher league, again, don't start arguing semantics, it's pathetic pedantry and nothing more.
And I agree, you weren't promoted. You were saved from relegation thanks to off the field workings and were it not for another club going bust you wouldn't be so cocksure right now. I suspect a lot of it stems from the fact that you are league leaders and would be favourites for promotion under the old system, which also explains the OP too.
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