In everything but playing standards yes, but that is an essential point


They didn't even finish top half last time they played in it. If they'd left them there and they'd won the French Elite that would probably improve their chances of success, as 10th in the Championship really doesn't show a team ready for SL. That doesn't mean they should go back to the French Elite now they've switched though

what about castleford, sheffield, doncaster, whitehaven and workington?

Both of whom had rich backers and one of which had a football team to help fund a ground (along with a supportative council, something not all teams have).

And which clubs rely on the rfl to survive and in what way? examples please dally.....

so wigan and hull are the only two teams that should be in sl? seems more like contraction than expansion to me.

incorrect.

wow theres more jumping around in that post than in the long jump at the olympics.

no wonder why you have problems with yes no answers.

if you are going to go back that far how many welsh clubs failed?

ill bet you havent even heard of south shields?

or the many london clubs that failed?

liverpool etc?

so if you are going to go that far back you sure missed a lot of them

nice try though

so you agree with me that small clubs can grow, wow thanks for the compliment.

social security is where people get things for not having to do anything in return. there are loads of current heartland clubs in NL1 and 2 that do nothing for RL for what they receive, or try and better themselves

its all either the fault of the RFL, or Celtic crusaders, les catalans etc

well if the flatcappers are going to put silly restrictions on expansion clubs they never can fullfill, just for fun lets apply it to the other side of the fence

well have a SL with zero expansion clubs and 2 heartland clubs

OK castleford in 1926 is where i was wrong.

after that its les cats as a success for top down

its a shame JFK aint around today.

if he were imagine his comments to the flatcap brigade :

ask not what the RFL can do for you, but what you can do for the RFL.

heck instead of the CIA or mafia being behind it, perhaps it was a leigh or a keighley fan up there on the grassy knoll

Did i say i included all expansion clubs in my list? nope just a number of clubs that you missed, i feel the need to help you through this at times with you very limited knowledge of the english game. If your going to to put a time limit on expansion clubs to suit your argument please amke it apparent, otherwise it makes you look like you dont know what your talking about................

















again.

just to help you, south shields is near newcastle.

so not only am i helping you with RL knowledge of queensland and the rest of nsw, it also extends to england.

pleased to help broaden your knowledge

I never suggested anything otherwise, i'm not sure why you take that as a compliment its quite obvious, its like you agreeing with me that water is wet and me taking that as a compliment, but i digress.

so which clubs do nothing for rl and what do they recieve? examples please (with specifics).

Well i would say thats was your stupidest idea, but lets face it you've created plenty of competition.

Depends what you qaulify as a success? winning trophies? well more expansion clubs have done that than cas, producing locally born rl players? think they have all done that with varying degrees of sucess, producing internationals? another of the expansions clubs have done that, spreading the game to new areas? once gain they have all done that to differant extents.

the reason why i stick to the simple arguments with you guys is a bit like when you try and get a baby to walk before running, crawl before walking etc ....

if other clubs can grow and become something, so can all these other clubs that have missed out. so rather than moaning and blaming someone else for their problems, start investing in the club.

or maybe if CC fails, that will be the end of all their ailments

success is having a viable SL club.

having weak NL1 and 2 clubs isnt very succesful to me, especially after more than 50 years.

oh and to help you more on the history thing, liverpool city played at Knotty Ash. the main grand stand was donated from Knowsley Rd, the home of St Helens RLFC.

Ahh so now your agreeing your a corckapper. With your restrictions on teams being introduced from Perth or PNG only when the TV money is right.

Point proven.

I know where south shields is, i've been on holiday there and seen a friend compete in the great north run on another occasion.

Where did i say anything about south shields?

And though i'm not expert on the tiny part of australia where rl is popular, i know enough thanks, probably more than you if your knowledge of english rl is anything to go by.

i asked you about south shields and you ignored the question.

forgive my spelling but heres some more help :

some of the failed welsh clubs of 1907 were ebbe vale and methyr tiffald?

ha ha thanks fotr the lesson, you been looking at Wickipedia again?

nah i remember the s**t view from the main stand with all those silly posts in front of them

and JB when i took photos of Craven Park i tried not to dawdle.

i just didnt feel safe in that part of hull

so you cant think of any examples of clubs that have done nothing for rl? we will assume there are none then.

You cant think of any examples of these 9non-existant it would seem) rellying on rfl handouts either?

so you think that populations size, the local economy, local goverment, competition from other sports and the era a club was formed has no bearing on how it will grow in comparison to another club thats seems a little silly to me but using your logic how come the perth rl club hasnt grown to the same extent as say melbourne? give you give me reasons why it hasnt or shall we just assume you dont have a clue what your talking about?

I'm not sure if your talking about the challenge cup or the club formally known as celtic crusaders but when did i mention either of them?