Quote ="dubairl"i love how you presume all english people would give up their families and friends to move to aus. or maybe he wanted to be loyal to the club who gave him a chance and stuck by him when many rubbished him. he would make it at any nrl club. i cant believe you haven't been banned yet.'" Could he? that's your opinion yes? What should I be banned for? having an alternative opinion? www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2010/se ... suspension www.wigantoday.net/sport/wigan-w ... _1_1542734 It was rumoured he may go to Penrith. He is a confirmed hard drug user, sorry I do not have time for those type of people in sport or as role models you may have, I don't. Anything else Dubai? maybe you can become a Moderator and have me banned if you try hard enough, until then put me on ignore and you will feel better Petal.

Quote ="dubairl"i love how you presume all english people would give up their families and friends to move to aus. or maybe he wanted to be loyal to the club who gave him a chance and stuck by him when many rubbished him. he would make it at any nrl club. i cant believe you haven't been banned yet.'" Could he? that's your opinion yes? What should I be banned for? having an alternative opinion? www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2010/se ... suspension www.wigantoday.net/sport/wigan-w ... _1_1542734 It was rumoured he may go to Penrith. He is a confirmed hard drug user, sorry I do not have time for those type of people in sport or as role models you may have, I don't. Anything else Dubai? maybe you can become a Moderator and have me banned if you try hard enough, until then put me on ignore and you will feel better Petal.

Quote ="Jonesy"Could he? that's your opinion yes? What should I be banned for? having an alternative opinion? www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2010/se ... suspension www.wigantoday.net/sport/wigan-w ... _1_1542734 It was rumoured he may go to Penrith. He is a confirmed hard drug user, sorry I do not have time for those type of people in sport or as role models you may have, I don't. Anything else Dubai? maybe you can become a Moderator and have me banned if you try hard enough, until then put me on ignore and you will feel better Petal.'" yes he could just as gareth elis has been great and the burgess brothers and now graham. i know it was rumoured and i know they also contacted him about going doesn't mean he has to say yes just like he didnt. i never said he was my role model so please dont add things which i never even mentioned, what i did say was hes a good player which if he choose could make it in the nrl. and no you shouldn't be banned for having a different opinion, but what you should be banned for is constantly trolling, never adding anything insightful other than any english player isn't a patch on the aus counterparts because they dont play in the nrl or dont so call perform at international level.

Quote ="Jonesy"Could he? that's your opinion yes? What should I be banned for? having an alternative opinion? www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2010/se ... suspension www.wigantoday.net/sport/wigan-w ... _1_1542734 It was rumoured he may go to Penrith. He is a confirmed hard drug user, sorry I do not have time for those type of people in sport or as role models you may have, I don't. Anything else Dubai? maybe you can become a Moderator and have me banned if you try hard enough, until then put me on ignore and you will feel better Petal.'" yes he could just as gareth elis has been great and the burgess brothers and now graham. i know it was rumoured and i know they also contacted him about going doesn't mean he has to say yes just like he didnt. i never said he was my role model so please dont add things which i never even mentioned, what i did say was hes a good player which if he choose could make it in the nrl. and no you shouldn't be banned for having a different opinion, but what you should be banned for is constantly trolling, never adding anything insightful other than any english player isn't a patch on the aus counterparts because they dont play in the nrl or dont so call perform at international level.

He could be?
Maybe, he is not a big player for his position and he may not do that well against players bigger than him in the NRL.
Which Burgess has gone so well? Sam is injured more than 50% of the time who are the other ones carving it up?
Graham is being played as a bench player, Ellis has had enough and is going home a year early.

Hock is lucky he is getting another chance in my opinion, He is a player that pushes the boundaries of being a thug and that rubbish may cut it in England but will be found out every time by experienced players at top Test level.
You may as well have Hock and Bailey as the backrowers for England if you think that rubbish will work.

After winning the Wests player of the year award for three seasons running.

Very true, Gareth is a good player and is very popular at the Club.
These Club awards are voted by the players and Ellis is well liked by his team mates.

The award is not for the most influential player or game breaker week in week out, its a players player award, several players that are hardly household names have been picked by team mates over the years. Think best and fairest award.

I am not detracting from Ellis as a player he is one of the best going around, as is Benji Marshall and Robbie Farah.

The players vote for the player they think is the most valuable to the team. The player without whom the side would suffer most. There is no one better placed (other than the coaches, who I suspect also have an input) to decide this than his team mates. Who's "fairest" or "most popular" won't come into it, and it's quite ridiculous to suggest otherwise.

A ridiculous post to try and downgrade Ellis and what he has acheived by been voted Wests best player for 3 seasons.

he is an aussie troll what do you expect? he/she wont accept that some english players are stand outs in the nrl or could "hack it" in the nrl.

really what does size have to do with it? anyhow if you think hock is small i suggest you buy a bigger tv. trent waterhouse has come over and is probably one of the bigger players at 2nd row and he isn't close to being as good as hock or even westwood (another player who would make it), we had hoffman last season and hes been a stand out this season for the best team in the nrl and many wigan fans have said hock has been better than him.

if you seriously dont think sam burgess is a qaulity player then you either dont watch souths much or you are a blantant troll i guess the 2nd bit. graham is coming on after 16 mins and finishing the game with out a break stop being stupid. it comes back to that english people do actually like living in england and alot of them dont actually like the aussie culture.

there is plenty of players in the nrl who are thugs just a few of the top of my head ennis, watmough and conrad smith all dirty players but are still good ones and them tatics do work in the nrl i watch every game so i aint just guessing.

Thats right the players always vote for the Best player in the team, that does the most to win games. You would have all heard of Ryan Hinchcliffe the NRL superstar. www.rleague.com/content/article.php?id=37655 Other previous winners Manly Warringah Sea Eagles Players' Player of the Year: George Rose Canterbury Bulldogs Bulldogs Player of the Year: David Stagg Its picked by the players and has lots to do with popularity. Who would you have in your team Ellis or Marshall? if you say Ellis it says it all. Plenty of solid second rowers banging around and not many win you games week in week out as the teams standout player that made it happen and changed the game the way a Hooker or a Halve can do.

Thats right the players always vote for the Best player in the team, that does the most to win games. You would have all heard of Ryan Hinchcliffe the NRL superstar. www.rleague.com/content/article.php?id=37655 Other previous winners Manly Warringah Sea Eagles Players' Player of the Year: George Rose Canterbury Bulldogs Bulldogs Player of the Year: David Stagg Its picked by the players and has lots to do with popularity. Who would you have in your team Ellis or Marshall? if you say Ellis it says it all. Plenty of solid second rowers banging around and not many win you games week in week out as the teams standout player that made it happen and changed the game the way a Hooker or a Halve can do.

You feel better now Dubai?
What does naming players you think are thugs got to do with it, does that justify a local thug in your mind?
I did not say Sam Burgess was not a good player did I? what I say he was injured as much as he plays. So Souths have a 50% player on contract.
You may not have noticed but size is handy as a forward, as well as speed and skill.

Trent Waterhouse is no benchmark at 31 years of age, he was at his best 7 years ago and got a small call back to Test level with the influence of his old Coach.

My main objection to him gaining a Test Jersey again lay with his Drug taking, surely England has enough talent that they do not need to reward a Druggie with a Test Cap?

the bold bit i can understand if you said that i wouldn't of objected as its a vailed objection. all i can say to that is, was you bothered by andrew johns? plus there is alot of players who do take drugs just never get caught but like i say this doesn't make it right but i think hock has done hes time and now shouldn't keep getting punished.

no i named them players because you said thuggish tatics dont work in the nrl but they do as there is player applying them weekly. as far as i'm concerned i haven't heard of any miss happenings with hock battering any one off the pitch? so he isn't a local thug just a nasty player on the rugby pitch which i do actually love about him.

i was naming the english players to have made it in the nrl and i mentioned burgess, then you mentioned hes allways getting injured as if its an indicator to not being good enough for the nrl. well if thats the case you may aswell of added sonny bill williams, tarick simms, roy asotasi, kerion foran, matty bowen and terry campese for not being good enough for nrl.

Darrell Goulding has a very good chance of getting in this year IMO, he's not only playing the best rugby of his life, but also the combination between Tomkins, Goulding & Charnley is making tries for fun week in, week out.

Yes, I know he may not be "as good as ____" in some peoples' opinion, but I'd rather have Goulding with Charnley than Inglis with him if the combination wasn;t working, despite Inglis being a clearly superior individual player.

Now to sit back and watch everyone sceam abuse at me...

Quote ="Jonesy"Thats right the players always vote for the Best player in the team, that does the most to win games. You would have all heard of Ryan Hinchcliffe the NRL superstar. www.rleague.com/content/article.php?id=37655 Other previous winners Manly Warringah Sea Eagles Players' Player of the Year: George Rose Canterbury Bulldogs Bulldogs Player of the Year: David Stagg Its picked by the players and has lots to do with popularity. Who would you have in your team Ellis or Marshall? if you say Ellis it says it all. Plenty of solid second rowers banging around and not many win you games week in week out as the teams standout player that made it happen and changed the game the way a Hooker or a Halve can do.'" Oh, I get it, you're a not very good troll.

Quote ="Jonesy"Thats right the players always vote for the Best player in the team, that does the most to win games. You would have all heard of Ryan Hinchcliffe the NRL superstar. www.rleague.com/content/article.php?id=37655 Other previous winners Manly Warringah Sea Eagles Players' Player of the Year: George Rose Canterbury Bulldogs Bulldogs Player of the Year: David Stagg Its picked by the players and has lots to do with popularity. Who would you have in your team Ellis or Marshall? if you say Ellis it says it all. Plenty of solid second rowers banging around and not many win you games week in week out as the teams standout player that made it happen and changed the game the way a Hooker or a Halve can do.'" Oh, I get it, you're a not very good troll.

Never been a big fan but Luke Burgess had a really strong game for the Raburgessohs today.

Dubai,

Im massively against drugs myself, but I think Hock's story is great, got caught, got back on the right path, paid the price and earned his way back into things.

It shouldnt be held against anymore.

In that situation if the combination isn't working then you pick a different winger to play outside Inglis...

First game back from injury, wasn't great but did enough.

Wow.

He has got a point, making good partnerships in the squad is an important thing.

Having two of the best players wont work unless they work well together.

He has a point, but he's not made it very well.

If two great players don't make a great combination, you don't drop the better one!

If Inglis and Charnley/anyone else on the planet wasn't working, it wouldn't be Inglis who I would be dropping!

Sure that combo is one of the most important in the team so pair them from teams so centres/wings know each other ie.

Riley
Atkins
Watkins
Hall

Or

Charnley
Goulding
Hardaker
Hall

Well you get the point

In terms of centres/wingers, combinations are only really important if the players available haven't got the necessary individual quality. Australia don't have that problem because they have both strength and depth in the three quarters, whereas we sorely lack it. Hopefully we are beginning to see that change a bit.