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| Quote ="snowie"eusa_naughty.gif not going to fall back into arguing about the rights and wrongs of sky money, I made in my past posts and one of your fans even agreed to being it wrong when we suffered in our early years, so I haven't a problem with the RFL spending money on the stadium as long as some profits are divided back to all clubs and Bradford don't get some peppercorn rent for odsal
does that sound fair'"
The peppercorn rent is in place (circa £70k) presumably as an acknowledgement that the maintenance costs of Odsal (c £350k to 500k per annum) that the club has to pay are so high. If we have a remedy to the unsustainable cost of maintaining the place then we'd perhaps be able to pay a larger rent. I still don't think Stock cars brings us remotely close to making Odsal sustainable.
I'm not sure what profits you are hoping for though. You would think that as lease-holder the RFL would want to sweat the asset but that's certainly not happened to any meaningful degree. Renovating the place might enable them to hold double-header semi-finals there, or an international 9s comp, or other events that might generate a profit but I don't think they have the nous to fully utilise the place.
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| Quote ="Pumpetypump"Renovating the place might enable them to hold double-header semi-finals there, or an international 9s comp, or other events that might generate a profit but I don't think they have the nous to fully utilise the place.'"
It would be good for a 9s comp, with that tiny pitch.
It's fit for nothing else, bar landfill.
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| Quote ="RoyBoy29"Clapped out dilapidated cars going round a track in a clapped out dilapidated stadium.
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& crashing into clapped out crumbling terraces, safety concerns ?
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| Quote ="Ste100Centurions"& crashing into clapped out crumbling terraces, safety concerns ?'"
What happens if those safety concerns are dealt with?
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| I would love to know if the RFL has used any of the Government Loan & therefore Taxpayers money to do up Odsall for the benefit of one Club & the RFL's failed lease ?
FOI would probably be ignored for as long as possible, i.e until Bradford Bulls have moved back in & been placed back into Super League !
*they couldn't legally ignore it forever* !
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| Quote ="Ste100Centurions"I would love to know if the RFL has used any of the Government Loan & therefore Taxpayers money to do up Odsall for the benefit of one Club & the RFL's failed lease !'"
Well that's bloody easy to answer. No one has done anything at all to "do up" odsal. I n fact youtube videos prove that since Bradford left its been vandalized and is in an even worse state. What makes you think they've spent anything?!
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| Quote ="Pumpetypump"Well that's bloody easy to answer. No one has done anything at all to "do up" odsal. I n fact youtube videos prove that since Bradford left its been vandalized and is in an even worse state. What makes you think they've spent anything?!'"
Somebody said as much up thread !
I've seen the videos, I think they go back to spring time, it is a mess. However, if they have spent money on it, then I wouldn't at all be surprised to find out it's from the taxpayers loan !
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| Quote ="Donnyman"The stock car racing is sorted out now for a return to Odsal.
The spend on bringing the ground up to standard has been £500K split between the RFL, Bradford Council. the Stock cars people and the current version of the Bulls themselves. '"
Here is the claim that £500K "has been" *past tense* spent !
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| Quote ="Ste100Centurions"Somebody said as much up thread !
I've seen the videos, I think they go back to spring time, it is a mess. However, if they have spent money on it, then I wouldn't at all be surprised to find out it's from the taxpayers loan !'"
Unless they've done it in secret I've not heard anything from fellow bulls fans to suggest anything has been done.
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| Quote ="Pumpetypump"Unless they've done it in secret I've not heard anything from fellow bulls fans to suggest anything has been done.'"
Yet the RFL seem confident Odsall can be ready for March !
Anyway, it wasn't me who said it had been spent.
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| Quote ="Pumpetypump"Unless they've done it in secret I've not heard anything from fellow bulls fans to suggest anything has been done.'"
Well, it’s not likely that there’s been any secret deals between Bradford Bulls and the RFL over Odsal Stadium in the recent past, is it. I wonder
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| Quote ="Dunkirk Spirit"Well, it’s not likely that there’s been any secret deals between Bradford Bulls and the RFL over Odsal Stadium in the recent past, is it. I wonder
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People may not agree with the RFL getting the Odsal lease but it wasn't a secret. Unless you are referring to another deal too secret for me to have heard about.
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| Quote ="Ste100Centurions"
I've seen the videos, I think they go back to spring time, it is a mess.
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On the video the toilets were all kicked in Ste, but that would not have cost much to sort, as the club said, and as they did. Might be best to do any more repairs and upgrades whilst the club are back in there. Deserted premises attract vandals.
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| Quote ="Pumpetypump"People may not agree with the RFL getting the Odsal lease but it wasn't a secret. Unless you are referring to another deal too secret for me to have heard about.'"
No, this is the subject I refer to. When this deal cam to light there was a lot of dissatisfaction amongst the RFL member clubs, and even more dissatisfaction when it became apparent the RFL paid over the odds compared to its real value.
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| Quote ="Dunkirk Spirit"No, this is the subject I refer to. When this deal cam to light there was a lot of dissatisfaction amongst the RFL member clubs, and even more dissatisfaction when it became apparent the RFL paid over the odds compared to its real value.'"
If you think in narrow terms about just what the land value is worth then yes perhaps it was too much. But you have to then add in how iconic it is. Icons cost a total mint.
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| Quote ="Pumpetypump"If you think in narrow terms about just what the land value is worth then yes perhaps it was too much. But you have to then add in how iconic it is. Icons cost a total mint.
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I think you miss understand iconic, the word is “ironic”
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| Quote ="Pumpetypump"People may not agree with the RFL getting the Odsal lease but it wasn't a secret. Unless you are referring to another deal too secret for me to have heard about.'"
The original "purchase" of the lease was indeed a secret initially and then when the news finally broke, we all discovered what an "iconic" ground Odsal was. Apparently too good and iconic to be lost to the sport and nothing to do with trying to prevent Bradford going bust
Those curly corners and short pitch certainly are unique to professional sport but, "iconic" was always stretching a point.
How id Bradford City cope with it's unique playing surface or, did they just shorten the pitch ?
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| Why are people calling it iconic? The correct term is “dump”
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| Quote ="Steph Curry"Why are people calling it iconic? The correct term is “dump”'"
I agree, why did the RFL take over the lease, only for Bradford Bulls to leave it at the end of 2019. BIZARRE DECISION, I had no idea our governing body had so much spare cash
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| Quote ="Donnyman"On the video the toilets were all kicked in Ste, but that would not have cost much to sort, as the club said, and as they did. Might be best to do any more repairs and upgrades whilst the club are back in there. Deserted premises attract vandals.'"
Vandalised toilet blocks do not cost £500K to fix !
I have been to Odsall recently, it's a shanty !!!
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| Quote ="Ste100Centurions"Vandalised toilet blocks do not cost £500K to fix !
I have been to Odsall recently, it's a shanty !!!'"
Its two toilet blocks and it's the only the sinks that need replacing.
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| Quote ="Ste100Centurions"Vandalised toilet blocks do not cost £500K to fix !
I have been to Odsall recently, it's a shanty !!!'"
No they don't ste, obviously other repairs and upgrades come into it agreed. I went to Odsal for the first time in the early 1970's for a Yorkshire Cup final and then for the Championship Final Dewsbury won, with Mike Stephenson lifting the trophy. It was even worse then, the far end was literally a rubbish heap. It was a bit better in the 2000's but not that great, however it didn't put the fans off one bit. Top Crowds.
FWIW I'd certainly ensure [uboth[/u Leigh and Bradford were in Superleague next season. FWIW Mr. Beaumont doesn't seem upset, he seems to relish winning the Championship and getting promoted on Merit. You never know. you may pass the Bradford fans on the way up at the end of next season whilst they go the other way.
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| Quote ="Budgiezilla"I agree, why did the RFL take over the lease, only for Bradford Bulls to leave it at the end of 2019. BIZARRE DECISION, I had no idea our governing body had so much spare cash
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They dont (have spare cash., The monies to cover the cost of the lease etc are creamed from the top of the TV deal and other income
I guess that it was a blunder by the RFL to take over the lease but, we are all paying the price.
The money, literally being thrown into a hole in the ground could certainly be used for many, many better things within the sport.
It's an absolute scandal
And the solution they (the RF have come up with, is to pay out even more cash and promote Bradford, ahead of more deserving clubs.
How, in any sport or business, can this be right ??
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| I find it so funny that people in there own heads think that it’s a given that the bulls will be in superleague next year, and yet after the announcement tomorrow no one will say I’m shocked it’s not the bulls, please stop torchering yourselves
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| Quote ="Molsk111"I find it so funny that people in there own heads think that it’s a given that the bulls will be in superleague next year, and yet after the announcement tomorrow no one will say I’m shocked it’s not the bulls, please stop torchering yourselves'"
If the Bulls don’t get the 12th place tomorrow, then it’s even more scandalous that, the RFL are pumping more money from the RFL,(member clubs) into the Odsal stadium (money pit). I think it’s time member clubs held the RFL hierarchy to account.
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