Well I don't drink, and it's 8pm here - but the American market is huge.
If Rupert Murdoch's fox network were listed in Australia instead of the US it would be Australia's largest company by a long way, and it's the 4th network in the US.
It's New York - If you can make it there, you can make it anywhere - New York, New york.

I know you are very busy my friend so I hope you don't mind if I take this opportunity on your behalf to wish all your followers throughout the rugby playing world, Joyeux Noel for all the frenchmen on here

, merry xmas to all the friends he has in Leigh and Chorley

,and Shchaslyvoho Rizdva to all his mates in Kiev

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The American market is potentially huge, but they wont take to Rugby, of whichever form, or it would already have been done. Cricket has never taken off either, China is huge, Russia is huge, South America is huge, should we have Johannasburg Jays, Beigin Bengals, Moscow Muscle to chuck in with The Toronto Vanity Project, the New York will never happens?

Are there wnough journeymen Aussies (not already in SL) to go around?

I read it back and that took me 44 seconds.

What's happening here is you can't answer me, you can't find a single NA player now and can't project any in the future, you can't name the Canadian and USA investors that supposedly exist beyond Aussie Argyle, and you cant point to a single cent from any NATV or French TV deal, nor name a single NA junior RL side, or a French born team capable of Superleague.

Add to that your inability to accept even TWP via their coach admit they offer no players and no TV money. and the imaginary Ottawa and NY are continually kicked down the road then please be my guest during the festive holiday and set out for me how your transatlantic quadrangular tournament involving English French, USA and Canadian clubs is going to work?

29 seconds to read it, spare me a few minutes to let me know how your League will work?

Lol a thread about a tv deal has turned into “boo hoo Toronto”

Lmao

There is no 'boo hoo' about your beloved Toronto stephanie, just some facts. Don't get upset, after all you're a St. Helens supporter.

Probably your own making.

Toronto promised an NATV deal so they could pay into the pot' like the English clubs do, as Toronto fans don't subscribe to SKY. The twelfth of the deal they don'r get is used to cover the high costs they create for English clubs. The reality of TV deals is worth a discussion but you are trying to turn it into an exchange of childish insults. TotalRL can provide such a service biased towards overseas clubs, which you and Mr. Capdouze may prefer if don't want to actually discuss the game?

Same questions for you once your Quadrangular dream league of Wigan, Leeds, Hull, Ottawa, TWP, Montreal, New York, Jacksonville, Boston and Catalans Avignon and Toulouse comes about how will that ever work as far as developing players and getting TV deals go?? How will owners and fans here just let it happen

Ponder this. In 2006 Les Catalans joined Superleaue so they could develop professional Quality French players to revive the once proud France National team as International RL is a valuable product we can sell to TV. To manage to compete in SL before the French lads came through they signed 9 overseas players. Since 2006 every last French game against GB, Australia and New Zealand has been a shambles and today Les Catalans have to sign 12 overseas players to compete. With no TV deal now I guess they will be ejected 2022? Your thoughts Steph???.

I thought the Catalans TV deal was of fairly recent origin. Personally, I doubt they'll be first to be shown the door, should it come to that.

Yes it was of recent origin, but SL clubs have waited since 2006 for France to provide "quality players and TV deals" 14 years on the players haven't come but the TV deal maybe saved them, but it's gone now!!.

Now there is no TV deal and very few quality French players I still may agree with you they would stay 2022 as they have a rich owner. But the 2022 deal is set to be for a 10 club league. How can we keep a failed guest club and refuse an English club? Perhaps pick me your 10 clubs for 2022 include Catalans and see who you have to leave out for them??

Yeah, IMO unless there are at least 2 French and N American sides in the British RL Premiership/SL, then it should be zero teams from there. The French shwd be building their own league. And obviously that's even more the case for NA.

Bit harsh there regarding French players.
Catalan squad was roughly 50/50 with French / Non French players and there are also a smattering of French players in SL with other clubs, Toulouse also have some decent local players.
However, the game has been played in Catalonia for many years and it's not as though they were going from a "cold start".

However,, the failed experiment in Paris is a prime example of planting a tree in a desert and once the money, together with the initial interest ran out, there was nothing left in that part of France.

If the consortium in N. America lose interest, RL will be but a distant memory.

As for TV deals, if Catalan, with a decent level of local interest, are struggling, just how difficult will it be for Toronto to secure their own deal - it's not happening and it's not likely to.

So are most on here in favour of Catalonia and Toronto not being in the British system?

Sorry to say this but yes we do not need them Toronto should have been no from the of who ever let them in wants shooting

Catalans had a TV deal and there was a renewal offer made. In good old Oliver Twist mode Elstone asked for more and was told "non". Let's hope his negotiating skills prove to be a bit more successful with Sky....

What makes you think that whoever let Toronto in would want to be shot? Has Mr Robert Elstone or any of the Super League chairmen ever shown signs of suicidal tendencies?

Probably not, but then again they don't read your posts every day.

Wrong.

As an acquaintance of the esteemed Ian’s Lenagan, I can assure you that he is an avid reader of rugby league websites.

Once again you can't grasp the facts. SL don't want TWP - they openly said so but you just don't read anything up? SL are stuck with a ruling that they have to accept the winners of the Championship being promoted during this current SKY TV deal. To infer the SL chairmen "let them in" presumably on the basis they wanted them is just plain wrong. Top chairmen wrote articles saying they did not want TWP. They tried to change the format a year ago to block TWP. The current system of P & R was created by Wood and Solly of the RFL. NOT by SL.

As it stands now the next SKY deal will NOT INVOLVE THE RFL and therefore Superleague will be able to dictate the format and that means Hull, HKR, Leeds, Cas, Wakey, Salford, Wigan, Wire, Saints and Huddersfield will decide who is in the top division 2022 which may only be 10 clubs. So now you know who will have the biggest say over the next SKY deal, surely even you can work out the likely format? If you can't, read the opening sentence of this paragraph again and again until then centime drops.

Superleague wanted Toulouse to be promoted to Superleague in order to advance the French TV deal. With respect before you have a go at Elstone consider that TWP's promotion to SL, which SL clubs didn't want but could not stop, is what really put the kybosh on it. Think of it this way- a french TV company are showing Les Cats and along comes Toulouse - don't you think they would want both of these clubs and when a fake American club is promoted instead, they would be quite angry about that??

I live less than half a mile from Michael Carters dad Frank in Notton near Wakefield not sure though if that makes me an acquaintance of his, I don't know if he's an avid reader of anything so I can't give you the same assurances, as a matter of interest how long has this Lenagan fella lived in Chorley.

Websites are low numbers. Hull Daily Mail did a survey of a very large number of RL fans and 80% didn't want Toronto. I have no such survey for Catalan. Neither club is a member club anyway so they are only here as guests. Perez realised this and therefore bought Hemel Stags membership for Ottowa. He knows TWP and Les Cats are likely to go if Superleague drops to 10 on the next smaller SKY deal, so he's trying to ensure Ottawa don't get booted out as "guests" not that Ottawa exist yet.

Not being funny here Donny,but you need to grasp that JEAN is just a fake, who lives in Stralia,and couldn't give two hoots really, who is just trolling and a WUM to get a reaction.

The Catalans put 12 English and antipodeans into their first choice 1-17 players. That is after 14 years of French player professional development. Mate, I love them but I love the facts more. As for TWP even the TWP clubs coach and chairman will tell you they don't find a paying TV deal difficult....They admitted it was impossible.

We can be as sentimental as we want but sadly Les Catalans aren't now providing TV money which is the fault of TWP. Had Toulouse gone up the French TV deal may have gone up. TWP have spoiled matters for France so expect for 2022 if SL drops to 10 English clubs only, they will likely sign what few quality French players Catalans have left then.

I understand this and I understand Steph may be the same poster.

But I don't like the approach of just getting nasty and insulting with him, which I am sure is what he wants? Better to reply to his posts with the actual facts of the matter he/she may raise.