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| Quote ="Jim Pooley"Even the mods at TOTAL RL have bounced this "nothing proven story" fromtheir main board and put it in the kindegarden.'"
If it's a nothing story why you bothering to reply?
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| Because, regardless of his current forum persona, he has an inflated regard for the sound of his own voice!
Just a pity he never has anything interesting to say.
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| The UAE tortures and imprisons folk all the time. I suggest those who feel strongly about it join Amnesty International and support activity from there.
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| Quote ="GansonTheClown"If it's a nothing story why you bothering to reply?'"
Because the righteous indignation of the rabid few on here is too delicious to resist.
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| Quote ="Jim Pooley"Because the righteous indignation of the rabid few on here is too delicious to resist.
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Bit sad really, especially when you're clearly in the wrong as usual.
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| Quote ="loiner81"Bit sad really, especially when you're clearly in the wrong as usual.'"
Am I?
Where am I wrong? There is a spat, a local one at that, between the UAE Union and the UAE league organisations over the use of the word Rugby. The Union lot, are a recognised and official sport of the UAE, the league lot are NOT. They are not registered with the overseeing body of sports in the UAE and as such, they are not operating within the laws/rules of the UAE.
The solution?
First up, the fraud allegations need to be put to bed, so somebody call Nissan and ask them what they thought they were sponsoring. If they say they knew it was the 13 man code, then no fraud has taken place.
Then register the game of Rugby League as a stand alone sport. If this involves someone at the RLEF jumping on a plane and sitting down with the GAYSW and explaining the difference between us and Union.......as it points out in the letter on the previous page, claiming the UAE are ranked 29th by the RLIF when the game isn't even abiding by the laws of the UAE is a little stupid.
So, I'm not wrong. Your opinion that I am morally wrong might hold some sway with the rabid minority on here, but as it stands the only form of Rugby registered as an officially recognised sport in the UAE is Union.......and no amount of righteous indignation from a small minority on here will change that.
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| Quote ="Jim Pooley"Am I?
Where am I wrong? There is a spat, a local one at that, between the UAE Union and the UAE league organisations over the use of the word Rugby. The Union lot, are a recognised and official sport of the UAE, the league lot are NOT. They are not registered with the overseeing body of sports in the UAE and as such, they are not operating within the laws/rules of the UAE.
The solution?
First up, the fraud allegations need to be put to bed, so somebody call Nissan and ask them what they thought they were sponsoring. If they say they knew it was the 13 man code, then no fraud has taken place.
Then register the game of Rugby League as a stand alone sport. If this involves someone at the RLEF jumping on a plane and sitting down with the GAYSW and explaining the difference between us and Union.......as it points out in the letter on the previous page, claiming the UAE are ranked 29th by the RLIF when the game isn't even abiding by the laws of the UAE is a little stupid.
So, I'm not wrong. Your opinion that I am morally wrong might hold some sway with the rabid minority on here, but as it stands the only form of Rugby registered as an officially recognised sport in the UAE is Union.......and no amount of righteous indignation from a small minority on here will change that.'"
Same old drivel Gutters although you forgot to tell us how much bigger RU is than RL. We'd normally have a few attendance or sponsorship figures thrown in by now too....
On another note, have you actually read through this thread? Please do before posting again.
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| Quote ="loiner81"Same old drivel Gutters although you forgot to tell us how much bigger RU is than RL. We'd normally have a few attendance or sponsorship figures thrown in by now too....'"
WHAT? How has that got anything to do with the topic at hand? Are you trying to drift the thread off-topic to save face?
Quote ="loiner81"On another note, have you actually read through this thread? Please do before posting again.'"
Read it.
Again, there is nothing on here of an official nature other than the letter explaining the stance of the Union lot that Rugby League is not recognised as a registered sport in the UAE with the sports governing body GAYSW. As such, a case of Fraud has been claimed.....and as I have said, the fastest way to determine guilt or innocence is to phone Nissan and bloody ask them. Then, the RLEF jump on a plane and explain that RL is a different sport, get it registered and bob's your aunties husband!
Still. I'm sure you'd much rather continue with the myth, lies and rumour, citing history and how bad the IRB/RFU have behaved over the years which means this must be another case of Nazi tactics being deployed.....one of your insane one-eyed babblers even called me a holocaust denier in this thread
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| Ha Ha
This is getting hilarious
Dutoni Galiafax-Pooley, typical hyphenated Union name
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| Quote ="Jim Pooley"WHAT?
How has that got anything to do with the topic at hand? Are you trying to drift the thread off-topic to save face? '"
Erm, no. There's only 1 person posting here with a history of derailing threads at the mere mention of RU.
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Again, there is nothing on here of an official nature other than the letter explaining the stance of the Union lot that Rugby League is not recognised as a registered sport in the UAE with the sports governing body GAYSW. As such, a case of Fraud has been claimed.....and as I have said, the fastest way to determine guilt or innocence is to phone Nissan and bloody ask them. Then, the RLEF jump on a plane and explain that RL is a different sport, get it registered and bob's your aunties husband!
Still. I'm sure you'd much rather continue with the myth, lies and rumour, citing history and how bad the IRB/RFU have behaved over the years which means this must be another case of Nazi tactics being deployed.....one of your insane one-eyed babblers even called me a holocaust denier in this thread
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Nothing on here of an official nature... other than an official letter that's so transparent I can't believe that even [iyou[/i are still trying to defend them. That's why I asked you to read the thread properly.
I should've known I was wasting my time.
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| Quote ="GansonTheClown"This is the most telling paragraph IMO:
"To date, no other rugby code which includes League and Touch, have been endorsed by the Federation [UAERF, or approved by the GAYSW, to represent the country or play under the 'National Team' title, or use the term 'UAE Rugby' at any level of competition, whether in or outside of the UAE. This, alongside organising and managing any domestic rugby activity is considered as falsely representing the country of the UAE by the relevant government sporting authorities."
The UAE Rugby Federation are blatantly attempting to prevent RL being played despite their previous statement:
"Rugby League is an important code in the game of Rugby and we fully support League being played in the UAE"
Err, no you don't!
The UAERF is clearly a RU organisation, and have no jurisdiction over RL. Taken from the UAERF website:
"The UAE Rugby Federation was then awarded a Full Membership status of the International Rugby Board in November 2012 which is the highest recognition that a Union could be awarded by the International Governing Body."'" Something worth noting is that the head of the UAE touch rugby association (a non-Emirates citizen from New Zealand) is currently walking free with apparently no repercussions for his part in this. And in fact the UAE touch organization was recently endorsed on Twitter by the CEO of RU's international federation.
I also love how they've suddenly discovered that Sol Mokdad is an illegal immigrant after the RLIF and RLEF tried to get involved, and that this information was readily available and published by the UAE RU organization.
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| Quote ="loiner81"Erm, no. There's only 1 person posting here with a history of derailing threads at the mere mention of RU.'"
How can you possibly accuse me of derailing a thread about the alleged misconduct of the UAE Union Federation by discussing Union
Quote ="loiner81"Nothing on here of an official nature... other than an official letter that's so transparent I can't believe that even [iyou[/i are still trying to defend them. '"
Ah..reading between the lines and filling in the blanks. I should have known that given there was no word from the RLIF or RLEF or even the IRB or whatever they call themselves, the rabid minority would fill in the missing pieces rather than read what is actually officially being declared.
The FACT is that the bloke who was arrested was arrested after a claim that he fraudulently obtained money by representing himself as the president of Rugby. I repeat....SOMEBODY CALL BLOODY NISSAN AND ASK THEM........shortest route to redemption and the truth there.....rather than trawling up past Union indiscretions.
Quote ="loiner81"That's why I asked you to read the thread properly.'"
I have and there's still nothing from anyone other than the usual suspects on here putting 1 and 1 together and getting 8
Quote ="loiner81"I should've known I was wasting my time.'"
By the way.....the tories are in for another 5 years......I'm sure some of your brethren will have that down to the RFU...
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Yep...they're looking into it....and that's a statement about the RLIF on the RLEF website, so actually just a statement from the RLIF.
Meanwhile, when in rome....
Quote From a governance perspective, the RLIF and RLEF, being official regional and international bodies, should have in the first instance requested from any country’s sports authority an attested copy of the domestic decree of formation, or in the least the relevant license'"
...so the big bad nasty Union lot freely admit that the RLEF and RLIF are official governing bodies....but also point out how crap they are at governing.
Oh.....did you read this bit? This is from David Collier, chief executive of the Rugby League International Federation...
Quote “World Rugby and RLIF recognise that the sports of rugby union and rugby league are led by sovereign international federations and neither has any jurisdiction over the other sport.”'"
...so nope, this isn't a global conspiracy. It's a local spat....as I have repeatedly said.
Carry on with the dummy spitting.....
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Yep...they're looking into it....and that's a statement about the RLIF on the RLEF website, so actually just a statement from the RLIF.
Meanwhile, when in rome....
Quote From a governance perspective, the RLIF and RLEF, being official regional and international bodies, should have in the first instance requested from any country’s sports authority an attested copy of the domestic decree of formation, or in the least the relevant license'"
...so the big bad nasty Union lot freely admit that the RLEF and RLIF are official governing bodies....but also point out how crap they are at governing.
Oh.....did you read this bit? This is from David Collier, chief executive of the Rugby League International Federation...
Quote “World Rugby and RLIF recognise that the sports of rugby union and rugby league are led by sovereign international federations and neither has any jurisdiction over the other sport.”'"
...so nope, this isn't a global conspiracy. It's a local spat....as I have repeatedly said.
Carry on with the dummy spitting.....
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| So there we have it everyone. It's not actually happening. The same person keeps telling us it's not. So it can't be.
It's just a local spat. Unless it's World Rugby itself actually doing the deed then it doesn't happen. It's just a local spat.
We've had a few local spats recently. Morocco, UAE, Italy amongst others.
It's just a local spat folks. Stop being such chippy northerners you lot. You're not supposed to try and help the sport you support spread in the face of hostility, legal threats and state corruption from a bigger, more established sport that has friends in governments.
It's just a local spat. Chippy northerners.
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| Quote ="Him"So there we have it everyone. It's not actually happening. The same person keeps telling us it's not. So it can't be.
It's just a local spat. Unless it's World Rugby itself actually doing the deed then it doesn't happen. It's just a local spat.
We've had a few local spats recently. Morocco, UAE, Italy amongst others.
It's just a local spat folks. Stop being such chippy northerners you lot. You're not supposed to try and help the sport you support spread in the face of hostility, legal threats and state corruption from a bigger, more established sport that has friends in governments.
It's just a local spat. Chippy northerners.'"
.......this is an internal issue. UAE law has been broken and is being dealt with. Nobody else to blame but himself........
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| Quote ="Jim Pooley".......this is an internal issue. UAE law has been broken and is being dealt with. Nobody else to blame but himself........'"
So what's it got to do with UAERF?
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| Quote ="GansonTheClown"So what's it got to do with UAERF?'"
It's just a local spat you chippy northerner you. Pipe down. You don't know how the real world works unlike me.
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| Quote ="Jim Pooley".......this is an internal issue. UAE law has been broken and is being dealt with. Nobody else to blame but himself........'"
Yes, because bureaucracy is transparent and adhering to the law in the UAE is all so clear cut.
There will be a story at the end of this, the very telling part is that the charges and claims all are being lead by the UAE RU. Not from NISSAN or instigated by the the local authority for sport.
Amazing how now the UAE RU lays claim to governance of the sports of touch and league days after this all blew up.
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| RL being played anywhere has NOTHING to do with any RU organisation. This is RU at it's worst and needs dealing with.
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| If it's so simple to sort out why don't the IRB get on the phone to UAERL and tell them that in no other part of the world does The NGB for RU also administer the RL competition.
It's that simple so why haven't they done it?
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What paperwork? What exactly are you suggesting he should have done? Affiliate himself with a governing body for a totally different sport? Does the UAE baseball federation have to affiliate itself with UAE Cricket in order to avoid being shut down and the owner arrested?
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What paperwork? What exactly are you suggesting he should have done? Affiliate himself with a governing body for a totally different sport? Does the UAE baseball federation have to affiliate itself with UAE Cricket in order to avoid being shut down and the owner arrested?
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