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| It's like watching a slow-motion car crash where everyone can see the cliff edge ahead, but there doesn't seem to be any way to stop or turn away.
Grim. Koucash is clearly not capable of running an organisation like a professional sports club, and he also clearly hasn't appointed the staff he needs to keep it functioning despite him.
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| I've never really know any player to resign from a club, let alone 2 in 1 season. Salford are becoming a laughing stock and it seems the only person blind and deluded to this is Koukash. McDermott is absolutely right that he needs to take full responsibility for the circus that is Salford Red Devils.
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| That is impeccable timing from Fages
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| Interesting that Fages' agent is the same as Gareth Hocks!
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| It can only be about money's owed with the breach of contract?
If so why would you not pay your players?
This does so much harm to Salford that no decent player will want to sign for the club? The swearing Chairman Koukash has a lot to blame on himself?
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| Quote ="Rommel"It can only be about money's owed with the breach of contract?
If so why would you not pay your players?
This does so much harm to Salford that no decent player will want to sign for the club? The swearing Chairman Koukash has a lot to blame on himself?'"
According to Fage's representatives, this isn't about money and instead another breach of contract. I'm gonna guess it has something to do with Koukash allowing a transfer request, but then asking for a ridiculous fee so he couldn't leave anyway - and then not even playing him.
Not to sound dramatic but Koukash is holding players against their will at a club they don't want to be involved with anymore - it's very pathetic viewing and it does not bode well for Salford. Who would want to sign for them?
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| There's always enough greedy bas**ards don't worry about that
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| "Holding players to their contracted position and not letting them leave cheaply before contract expiry"
I don't see any problem with that.
Regarding resigning - I assume Salford won't release his registration without recompense.
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| So he was happy to take the coin in the first instance to suit himself, now he wants out he throws a paddy because the owner wants to get a decent fee for him...
Not seeing the problem other than Fages is behaving like a Fadge
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| Quote ="shinymcshine""Holding players to their contracted position and not letting them leave cheaply before contract expiry"
I don't see any problem with that.
Regarding resigning - I assume Salford won't release his registration without recompense.'"
Depends. If Salford have breached Fages contract then he's a free agent and Salford can't do anything about it.
That's why professionally run clubs don't breach player's contracts.
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| Another thread full of people who are jealous of them and their success !!!
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| Quote ="GIANT DAZ"Another thread full of people who are jealous of them and their success !!!'"
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| Quote ="BD"According to Fage's representatives, this isn't about money and instead another breach of contract. I'm gonna guess it has something to do with Koukash allowing a transfer request, but then asking for a ridiculous fee so he couldn't leave anyway - and then not even playing him.
Not to sound dramatic but Koukash is holding players against their will at a club they don't want to be involved with anymore - it's very pathetic viewing and it does not bode well for Salford. Who would want to sign for them?'"
What is wrong with an owner wanting a return on his investment that he finds acceptable?
You sign a contract with the club, you don't sign a contract with the club as long as you are playing. If this was all the situation the Theo would be completely in the wrong.
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| The problem with Salford now is Koukash is like the boy who cried wolf - it's always somebody else's fault, he's never to blame.
So when all these stories come out about Salford, it's a natural reaction to assume the Doc has been an idiot again. I wouldn't bet against him being at fault on this too. There are too many rumours of mismanagement for them all to be lies
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| I'm struggling to think of any situation like either the Puletua, Locke or Fages case to happen to any club, never mind all 3 in the same season.
Let's face it. It's not those 3 players. Its the club that's the problem.
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| Quote ="Him"I'm struggling to think of any situation like either the Puletua, Locke or Fages case to happen to any club, never mind all 3 in the same season.
Let's face it. It's not those 3 players. Its the club that's the problem.'"
Hasn't a local solicitor claimed to have represented 30 Salford employees in recent months? And if the rumours about the ridiculously complicated system they've devised for paying bonuses and appearance fees are true, it's no surprise that so many players are heading for the exit with a claim for breach of contract.
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| Quote ="bren2k"Hasn't a local solicitor claimed to have represented 30 Salford employees in recent months? And if the rumours about the ridiculously complicated system they've devised for paying bonuses and appearance fees are true, it's no surprise that so many players are heading for the exit with a claim for breach of contract.'"
It is [url=http://www.frontrowlegal.com/our-people/richard-cramer/This Fella[/url local to Leeds who has apparently represented at least 20 former club employees over the past 30 months on their exit from the club.( dated [url=http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/rugby-league/kevin-locke-resigns-salford-red-947986018th June[/url
( If what Neil Barker writes is to be believed )
It seems the players who have left,represented by Cramer,were of the previous Wilkinson regime and those signed when Noble was in charge - notwithstanding Locke arrived after Iestyn Harris was appointed head coach.
Strangely,no court proceedings or findings have resulted in Dr Koukash being referred to,or deemed as some kind of ogre.Surprising with the number of players leaving/wanting to leave.
I was of the opinion the CEO and head coach sort out the contracts.
Also,Theo Fages was given a 5 yrs contract by the Wilkinson regime a matter of weeks prior to their financial circumstances being described in a church local to Salford;in Pendleton.
In similar circumstances to the one given to Whitehead at Bradford - prior to their first announced financial mess in 2012 or 13.
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| Quote ="Molly Malone"lol'"
Posting under another alias now are we gutterfax
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They didn't need him today.
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| Quote ="Him"I'm struggling to think of any situation like either the Puletua, Locke or Fages case to happen to any club, never mind all 3 in the same season.
Let's face it. It's not those 3 players. Its the club that's the problem.'"
It appears KL lost his RFL tribunal today. Dr K saying he is delighted at the outcome and feels sorry for him, but wishes him the best for future.
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| Great to read through this thread again from page one and it's uncanny how when situations like this arise the same people make the same mistakes jumping to the wrong conclusions.
Wish they could show some of our officials how to be so consistent.
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| Quote ="bezzerscr"Great to read through this thread again from page one and it's uncanny how when situations like this arise the same people make the same mistakes jumping to the wrong conclusions.
Wish they could show some of our officials how to be so consistent.'"
I too am bemused! A player makes accusations against a club which leads to a 20 page thread slagging that club and chairman. Club and chairman have been proven correct yet no apologies from those on here? No 20 page thread? Kevin Locke has been shown as a liar yer he, his agent, his solicitor and quite a few on here have went quiet rather than say sorry we were wrong!
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| Quote Kevin Locke has been shown as a liar yer he, his agent, his solicitor and quite a few on here have went quiet rather than say sorry we were wrong!'"
You make it sound like a tribunal is black and white. KL argument may not have been as strong as MK, the alleged breach may not have been as clear cut as KL thought.............. thats not a liar.
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| It's not a truth or lie thing .
tribunals are about burden of proof, when two parties have different opinions in some cases the same facts , one party wants to prove they were unfairly treated , the other only needs to prove they acted reasonably . the plaintiff has to prove beyond doubt therefore has the hardest job .
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| Quote ="Kiyan"I too am bemused! A player makes accusations against a club which leads to a 20 page thread slagging that club and chairman. Club and chairman have been proven correct yet no apologies from those on here? No 20 page thread? Kevin Locke has been shown as a liar yer he, his agent, his solicitor and quite a few on here have went quiet rather than say sorry we were wrong!'"
I'm not surprised you're bemused. I'd imagine that's a regular occurrence.
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