The ref might think its more of a punishment for rovers to keep welham on on the pitch !!!!

I'd have binned Finn too, I hate the chicken wing and cannonball tackles.

I think Thaler wasn't sure if Welham did it deliberately or not. But I'd still have sin binned him.

The TJ described as a chicken wing but it wasnt. It was a grab that caught him on the arm. There was no concerted pressure on the arm.

As for the headbutt if it was accidental it would not have ben a penalty. He penalised him for foul play and said to him "you cannot do that a headbutt". He penalised him for foul play |IMHO that should have been a sin bin as well.

I thought the chicken wing tackle was something of nothing and it was a case if the TJ reacting to Welham throwing his toys out of pram. The RFL are too inconsistent on the cannonball/chicken wing tackles.
Dean Collis got banned last week for what I thought was nothing more than a tackle around the legs on Gaskell.

The head butt was deliberate and while it was in the lower end of the scale in terms of head butts, he wouldn't have had any complaints if Thaler produced a red as he has no excuse for head butting some one.

But I think a sin bin was a sufficient punishment. I thought referees couldn't sin bin for foul play, but how come Finn got sin binned?

Very inconsistent

I think the TJ panicked for the Finn incident as he never actually said "chicken wing". He also said put it on report. Thaler took it upon himself to say "so it's a chicken wing?" And you could tell the TJ didn't want to say yes.
In my opinion Welham was trying to spark a response from his team mates and gee them up. Cas had just scored three tries on the bounce and rovers were wobbling. It was clever play by Welham.
The headbutt was cowardly and completely needless though and the lack of a real decision by Thaler was appalling. We know you saw it Ben cos of the headcam, we know you knew what it was cos you called it (foul play& headbutt) yet you failed to bin him; pathetic!

Welham should've walked. Nothing to see with the KFC tackle!

Inconsistency helps no-one. You can't sin bin one player and then let someone off for an arguably worse offence.

slap on the wrist and a warning for the ginger 'nutter'

Looked like more of a push with the head because the Cas player was holding his hand down to stop him playing the ball; the ref's response was weak, but I guess consistent with the Morley incident in last night's game - he blatantly headbutted *and* swung a punch, but got off scot free.

The chicken wing was a bit over-stated, but Finn did put pressure on the joint; it was clear from Welham's reaction on the replay that it hurt, hence his blow-up.

Baring in mind the wakey fan (troll?) above is brain dead and anyone with eyes can see this.....

I thought the welham incident was purely accidental when viewed as soon as I got home, it's going to be badly viewed by cas fans because of Thalers complete over reaction to the Finn incident

I can however recommend specsavers for mr Thaler (who said to me personally he doesn't hate cas despite his brother being told he was rubbish by the club) shouldn't be allowed to referee my club again because he is bordering on being biased !!!

The headbut was hardly anything.
He needed a penalty because he shouldn't do it but it was a push with the head rather than a butt.
Dorn hardly even noticed it.

The Chicken wing didn't look that bad either but he was holding on and Welham did react so you'd think he hurt the joint. Bin and report worked fine for me.

Ok then.

I never go for biased but it was a deliberate head but (albeit a push with the head, rather than a full on "yozza" style head butt).
However, in a different game he would get 10 minutes for it, or maybe a sending off.
Good win for Cas though, the first one at KR in the SL era.

No, thete was no pressure on any joint or any manipulation, however looking at the replay it seems ad if Finn might have dug his nails or needlessly grabbed into welham's upper arm which is why he strangely kept hold of his arm.

No chicken wing though. Thealer was wanting the touchy to tell him that.


What happened to give what yoi see, not what you think you see?

A chicken wing tackle involves intentionally putting pressure on the shoulder joint by levering it at an unnatural angle with the intention of causing pain and/or injury. Finn was merely pulling at the arm in a non too forceful manner. If tackles of that nature are designated 'chicken wing' there'll be 2 or 3 every game.

Welham clearly felt pain and I wonder if Finn nipped his arm - a cowardly but not serious offense.

Welham clearly intentionally headbutted Dorn under little or no provocation. Under most circumstances I'd say a penalty and on report was about right but having 'binned a player moments earlier for foul play about which he was unsure, to fail to do so for foul play that he saw and was sure about smacks of inconsistency.

Was a clear chicken wing.

From a rovers fan I hope welham gets 4 weeksandspends it learning to defend!

If hasn't learned by now, I doubt he ever will.

My opinion he did it out of frustration (obviously no excuse, and he definitely should have been binned at least). Looked for all money Rovers were going to score on that play and Welham blew it.

I wasn't implying there was a chicken wing - hence my saying it was 'over-stated.' Perhaps I should have prefaced it with 'so-called' to clarify that.

I only watched it at the time and haven't watched it back, but Finn was pulling on the arm and Welham did appear to be in pain and blew up about it; either to milk a penalty or in genuine distress. Either way, I agree, the sin bin looked harsh.

Referee decisions have been very inconsistent so far - what with Bowen's miraculous escape, Morley's free pass to do what he likes, Dean Collis' ban for a tackle that spectators of both the teams involved agree was innocuous and last night, Mr Thaler getting himself all at sixes and sevens. And that's not to mention the VR doing their best to keep Salford within spitting distance of Saints by chalking off a clear try.

What a schemozzle.

He should have been sent off for head butting. It's up to the disciplinary panel to decide what "scale" the head but was on and decide punishment. But players should be sent off for butting whether he just skims the opponents head or breaks his nose. If he had thrown a punch he would have been at least sin binned.

Allowing players to get away with head butting is surly sending out the wrong message. Next we'll get under 9's butting opponents thinking it's ok.

Then it's up to the coach of the under 9's to stop it happening and generate a better and more pleasant environment in his squad. There's lots of things that happen at the top level that shouldn't be within a country mile of amateur RL.

New Tigers song:-

Liam Finn's the colonel
He likes his chicken wings
He used to play for Rovers
But threw his flat-cap in the bin

Having watched it on BBC, the 'chicken wing' looked more like it was being twisted - you could see the skin turning - but not a full on chicken wing as the arm was straight.
As for the headbutt, it was little more than a push away - if he'd have done it with his arm, then nothing would have been said on here.

So, really it was a Chinese burn? No wonder Welham was mad.