common sense doesnt work here.

both clubs have too much ego

once one gets relegated and the other faces a similar track then theyll be forced to work together.

This questions been raised many times, it would mean IMO the end for these two clubs and the beggining of a single new club. I can't speak for Fev Rovers but i believe they are happy to stand alone, part of the make up in the Wakefield area is the rivalry between 3 clubs and that drives junior player development forward. Without the local rivalry i would fear for the areas youth and its ability to produce players.

So we Wakey will paddle along being Wakey and Cas/Fev will do the same, whatever that holds for us in the future.

But what you clearly failed to work out was that if TP had never been proposed by WMDC, Wakey would have continued to work on their original plans and would almost certainly have had planning permission granted (and probably started to build) by the time the successful franchise applications were announced in 2008.

Wakey cannot be blamed for the failures at WMDC and that's why the franchise wasn't taken off us when the Thornes Park proposal fell through. If the failure had been the fault of the club I'm sure that the RFL would have taken the franchise away from us to demonstrate that they were serious about it not being a closed shop.

yeah lets blame someone else?

whose to blame for the decline in crowds?

the credit crunch which only applied in wakey, not cas.

s**t crowds at wakey are the norm

even when they were shooting that film on the BBC "this portinglife" they used cardboard cutouts to make the crowd look bigger


hang on guys, get the cardboard cutouts out and use them to make it look like theres a crowd at Belle Vue these days too!

Dally, seeing as you've convinced yourself that Wakey will miss out on a franchise in 2012 you really shouldn't have any problem accepting my earlier challenge.

You claim to be reluctant to accept it because other clubs may go bust between now & D-Day, but even if they did I'm sure you'd come up with plenty of other reasons why Wakey should still be kicked out.

You have nothing to lose (it's not as if many - if any - others feel you have any credibility anyway) so what's your real problem in accepting it? The only reason why you shouldn't accept the challenge is if you know deep down that you're wrong.

So which is it to be? Man or mouse?

who says BV is falling to bits? the franchise assessors described it as an older type stadium but well maintained!, which it is.

Q. has DM ever even been to BV? and if so when?

wakey were also criticised for not having a plan B regarding stadium. they have now moved onto plan B.

also the club have offers to relocate temporarily to a suitable stadium if necessary.

The only thing which can cost wakey their SL spot is stadia and that will not be a problem

Yet you dont seem to be roundly critisizing Salford.Who it could be argued gained a place on the back of Barton development.Within weeks of gaining the franchise,the developer goes bust.
How convenient.

Yet you would have put Widnes in,who were in the early days of recovering from a financial mess,created by a "sugar daddy" .The same "sugar daddies"that you think clubs should have to gain a franchise.The same "sugar daddies"that created the unacceptable situation at Celtic.

You champion Salford as being able to "expand via Manchester" and use Sale Sharks as evidence this can work --- when Sale have no top flight competition around them.

You dont even know what positions teams finished in last season and you dont even know how you gain licensing points regarding attendances.
You dont have the balls to back up your comments and stand by them,otherwise you would accept the challenge from RDM.


There are more holes in your arguments than a sieve.

You are a fool of the highest order,who is made to look ridiculous with each passing comment you make.

You have zero credibility in the eyes of most posters,because you talk garbage and continually come out with incorrect facts.

i didnt support widnes inclusion in SL last time. they have now demonstrated stability at the same time wakeys many promises have been shown up

yes salford are in a similar position to wakey in their stadium bid has major problems

however i believe the RFL will be more patient with salford because of their potential

wakey dont have this potential with cas nearby

the closest i got to it was driving past on the M1 or some motorway up to headingly.

im sure ill be able to visit the ground in 5 years time with wakey still promising their next ground proposal will work this time

And what major problems are these?

The funding is there, the developer is solvent - the only thing we don't have YET is the planning permission to allow the build to commence, but we're not expecting this until sometime in the summer anyway. In any case WMDC are supporting Wakey & Cas in their bids for new grounds (demonstrated both by public statements of support and through the provision of land to help secure funding).

The only stadium development that Wakey have "major problems" with is the one proposed in the franchise application - i.e. Thornes Park. Clearly this is not going ahead, but the concerns of the RFL at the time of granting the franchise was that there was no plan B.

Plan B is now clearly established and most people assessing the progress made by Salford, Wakey & Cas would say that Wakey probably have their noses slightly in front of the other two in terms of the "race" to completing the new stadia.

You MIGHT still be able to see a patch of grass that used to be a rugby pitch when you get round to visiting BV in 5 years time, but that will only be if the developer we've sold it to hasn't started to build on it by then. You definitely won't see Wakey playing there as we'll be hosting SL matches at Newmarket Lane from 2012.

Must congratulate dally, his latest musings are so completely absurd and lacking in any credibility it's so obvious they are the work of a troll and he's gotten many bites. Well done, I’m sure you’re day is complete now.

Anyhow we’ll dig this up in 12 months time and see what happened, until then.

The only thing thats holding Trinity back is Belle Vue has done for years and it's Belle Vue that effects the crowds. Last year was a bad year for attendance for a number of reasons but we more than have the potentail to increase crowds. The new ground will help this and Wakefield is a CITY that can support the team both business and attendance wise we're lucky that we are not a small town team that has to look outside its area.
If we don't get the new ground then there will be no franchise and no Trinity fan will argue with that but with new ground at stanley looking good there's no reason for us not to get a franchise

TRINITY FOREVER

I quote you Dally from earlier

your club used it to con the RFL out of a place for a more deserving SL club

So if you didnt support the inclusion of Widnes last time -- exactly which club in "Do lally Dally World" was more deserving and were conned out of it.

Once again - why have Salford never been able to exploit this "potential" - Willows hasnt always been old.


I hear they are going to do a remake of the film "Dumb and Dumber" and you have been cast in both the starring roles!!!!

thats the only thing youll be digging up in 12 months cause you wont be digging foundations on a new ground any time soon

hang on, richard lewis might be digging the grave on your SL existence.

look if it happens well and good.

im just not into fairy tales, ive heard all this before.

this wont be in place for the next round of franchising, down you go

salford have zero potential at the willows. if they cant get barton done, the RFL shouldnt waste any time on them either

in hindsight widnes in SL instead of wakey wouldve been the way to go last time

the RFL will fix this next time

a question to the wakey fans.

do you :

a) feel ashamed your club conned its way into SL this time

or

b) who cares what we said to get in, were in now?

C) Dally is a tool.

In other words - ive just contradicted myself again.

You didnt support the inclusion of Widnes last time - but in hindsight you think Widnes should have got in.Thats convenient!!!

You must enjoy making yourself look a clot,i even feel embarrassed for you.

I hearby rename you DOLALLY DALLY

exactly, i believed youd get a new stadium

now the facts are out, with hindsight widnes shouldve been included and wakey excluded.

the RFL get another chance soon to fix this error.

if you think more promises on a new stadium next time will work with the RFL you are deluded.

theyve learned their lesson

one current SL club has to go to show franchising is an open system

Why do people assume that Widnes will get into SL?

WHy do people assume that specific clubs will get kicked out of SL?

Since when has the RFL/SL ever been consistant in it's declarations/rulings/applications?

Remember "Framing the Future?"

All the SL clubs , as well as others stuck up 2 fingers and told the RFL to go away!!!

What chance of them being "consistant" this time round?

every club signed onto the new franchising regime.

legally they have to abide by the RFLs choices.

There's one answer to both questions.

The proposals for the new stadium detailed in the franchise application were enough to satisfy the RFL. It is not the fault or the club or the RFL that WMDC decided to shelve the proposals and therefore the club nor the RFL should be criticised for the fact that the proposals were accepted when franchises were awarded. Nobody "conned" anyone else (so we have nothing to be ashamed of) and whilst we are "in" now we know that we can't rely on BV as our home if we want to stay in SL.

I don't think anyone can seriously expect the progress that the club have made from having no ground for the future to having serious plans (with a developer & funding in place) to have been any quicker.