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| Quote ="Barnacle Bill"You bought the myth of a well managed "profitable" club and clung onto that while your team was going from bad to worse.'"
The club [idid[/i make a profit. For 6 straight years. It turns out that this was largely due to not spending enough on the squad and infrastructure, but it was a profit nonetheless.
Quote ="Barnacle Bill"Your full cap squad has easily been second best in this city and all you had to crow about was the "profits" you were making.'"
Um... you are aware that one of the reasons we made a profit 6 years in a row was that we [iweren't[/i spending full cap, aren't you?
A word of advice. Probably best to make sure you actually understand what's happened before abusing your sock in public.
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| Quote ="Kosh"The club [idid[/i make a profit. For 6 straight years. It turns out that this was largely due to not spending enough on the squad and infrastructure, but it was a profit nonetheless.
Um... you are aware that one of the reasons we made a profit 6 years in a row was that we [iweren't[/i spending full cap, aren't you?
A word of advice. Probably best to make sure you actually understand what's happened before abusing your sock in public.'"
And not going to full cap has still got us in the mess we are in...£2million tax bill,£300,000 loss last season,2 bottom 3 finishes and out in a whimper in the 1st rd of play-offs for last 2 seasons....but hey...we made a profit for 6 seasons....would sooner have made small losses,got the infrastructure right and maybe sucessful on pitch at full cap.
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| Quote ="Kosh"The club [idid[/i make a profit. For 6 straight years. It turns out that this was largely due to not spending enough on the squad and infrastructure, but it was a profit nonetheless.
Um... you are aware that one of the reasons we made a profit 6 years in a row was that we [iweren't[/i spending full cap, aren't you?
A word of advice. Probably best to make sure you actually understand what's happened before abusing your sock in public.'"
Never mind eh? You've always got the profits, who needs on field results?
So tell me, as a fan, would you rather the club makes a profit or would you rather have better on field results?
Come back when you're stopped crying eh?
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| Quote ="fc baldy"And not going to full cap has still got us in the mess we are in...£2million tax bill,£300,000 loss last season,2 bottom 3 finishes and out in a whimper in the 1st rd of play-offs for last 2 seasons....but hey...we made a profit for 6 seasons....would sooner have made small losses,got the infrastructure right and maybe sucessful on pitch at full cap.'"
Here speaks the voice of wisdom.
All that crowing about profits, profits, profits when Hull FC were going from bad to worse on the pitch.
The game is seriously messed up when fans try and spin financial results from that well known Italian bookkeeper Cooka Da Books over on field performance.
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| Serious story in the Mail tomorrow. Makes Hull FC and the RFL look like idiots at best.
[urlhttp://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/article-2086789/Nick-Harris-Banned-Martin-Gleeson-claims-rugbys-governing-body-involved-doping-scandal.html[/url
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| Just shows what a Hetherington Is after the way she backed her son in law. Hard done to my @rse.
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| Quote ="Don Brennan"Just shows what a nice person Hetherington Is after the way she backed her son in law. Hard done to my @rse.'"
Who's her son in law?
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| Quote ="Sheldon"Who's her son in law?'"
Apologies If wrong I thought Rule was.
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| Quote ="Barnacle Bill"Getting screwed over are your words not mine and I don't understand what you're referring to when you use them. You bought the myth of a well managed "profitable" club and clung onto that while your team was going from bad to worse.
Your full cap squad has easily been second best in this city and all you had to crow about was the "profits" you were making.
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We were a profitable club. The reason being however was because of a lack of investment in the squad, in youth, in facilities, in coaching staff, etc. we were only going to be profitable for so long, and that's why they got rid. They sucked the club dry, then took the money and left it for someone else to sort out. THAT'S what I'm referring to.
Speaking of myths, I don't suppose you could show us our club's salary bill could you? Because I can't recall us being at full cap for a while considering we kept bringing in players mid-season...
And "easily best" has you in 7th vs 8th last year and 6th vs 7th the year before. You had one good year in 2009 to our 2007, and your 7th in 2008 is balanced by our Cup Final appearance.
But yeah, "easily" second best (in Imaginationland)
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| Quote ="Don Brennan"Apologies If wrong I thought Rule was.'"
James Rule is married to an American lady, which certainly rules him out of being Kath Hetherington's son-in-law.
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| Quote ="Barnacle Bill"Never mind eh? You've always got the profits, who needs on field results?
So tell me, as a fan, would you rather the club makes a profit or would you rather have better on field results?
Come back when you're stopped crying eh?
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I'd rather have on field results, and so would the vast majority of sports fans, and NO-ONE has said otherwise. You're inventing your own little arguments to make yourself feel superior. The Straw Man technique.
I wouldn't mind, but it's hardly like a supporter of Hull KR can get on his high horse about "on field results". Like I've said, you've done marginally better than us overall in the 5 seasons you've been up here, but we've been closer to actually winning a trophy. So in this instance, I'd rather be a profitable also-ran than a constabtly propped-up cant stand on our own two feet also-ran.
When your club has actually achieved something, and you've actually got an argument without loads of flaws and inaccuracies (full cap, eh?), then come back yeah? You'd think with the fact you spend more time on the Hull FC board than the Hull KR board you'd actually know what you're talking about...
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| Quote ="MrPhilb"www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/article-2086789/Nick-Harris-Banned-Martin-Gleeson-claims-rugbys-governing-body-involved-doping-scandal.html
Oooops'"
Apparently the RFL will be supplying their side of things in League Express tommorrow, maybe they can publish the findings of the ' Visagate ' investigation while they're at it
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| Quote ="MrPhilb"www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/article-2086789/Nick-Harris-Banned-Martin-Gleeson-claims-rugbys-governing-body-involved-doping-scandal.html
Oooops'"
Needs to be read in conjunction with the actual WADA report
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| Quote ="handbrake"James Rule is married to an American lady, which certainly rules him out of being Kath Hetherington's son-in-law.
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Unless of course Kath really is rugged chop face cowboy Jack Palance.
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| Quote ="The RFL" The RFL has today reaffirmed confidence in its actions during the recent doping investigation involving .former Hull FC Chief Executive James Rule, former player Martin Gleeson and former conditioning coach Ben Cooper.
RFL chief operating officer Ralph Rimmer: "We are clear that the governing body acted entirely appropriately throughout what was a long and complicated investigation involving UK Anti-Doping and a National Anti-Doping Panel.
“As part of their investigation, UK Anti-Doping received external legal advice which found that there was no evidence to suggest that anyone at the RFL was complicit in the giving of false evidence to the NADP, or knew at all that the evidence was false.
"It found that there was no case for anyone at the RFL to answer.”
The RFL will be making no further comment at this time.'"
via Gareth Walker on Twitter
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| Quote ="Wellsy13"I'd rather have on field results, and so would the vast majority of sports fans, and NO-ONE has said otherwise. You're inventing your own little arguments to make yourself feel superior. The Straw Man technique.
I wouldn't mind, but it's hardly like a supporter of Hull KR can get on his high horse about "on field results". Like I've said, you've done marginally better than us overall in the 5 seasons you've been up here, but we've been closer to actually winning a trophy. So in this instance, I'd rather be a profitable also-ran than a constabtly propped-up cant stand on our own two feet also-ran.
When your club has actually achieved something, and you've actually got an argument without loads of flaws and inaccuracies (full cap, eh?), then come back yeah? You'd think with the fact you spend more time on the Hull FC board than the Hull KR board you'd actually know what you're talking about...'"
Aren't you boring
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| Quote ="roversmad"Aren't you boring'"
You've hit me where it hurts there.
A fantastic comeback. I'm down and out
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| Quote ="Wellsy13"You've hit me where it hurts there.
A fantastic comeback. I'm down and out
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How on earth was it a comeback? What did you say to me?
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| Quote ="tb"Needs to be read in conjunction with the actual WADA report'"
Why is the WADA report out when it was UKADA that dealt with the case and it was they who lifted Gleesons ban so that he could play in the Hull derby and it was when they were told that most of the Hull side may have taken the pill that they took that action.
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| Quote ="TV BOY"Why is the WADA report out when it was UKADA that dealt with the case and it was they who lifted Gleesons ban so that he could play in the Hull derby and it was when they were told that most of the Hull side may have taken the pill that they took that action.'"
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| Quote ="roversmad"How on earth was it a comeback? What did you say to me?
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I assumed you were attempting to ride in on your white knight and help your Hull-obsessed mate. I didn't realise you were just attempting to throw insults for no reason.
Maybe you should be the one asking the question to yourself... "what did I say to you?" Then maybe you should look at a more constructive response to something you're struggling to answer then "aren't you boring", because to me all that says is you have no reply and aren't that bright!
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| A player, who has previously brought the game into disrepute, is banned for taking a 'supplement' given to him by another player, who has previously brought the game into disrepute, and yet some still choose to believe there is some big conspiracy involving the RFL because it suits their agenda. Odd world.
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| The next chapter in this story...
[urlhttp://www.sportingintelligence.com/2012/01/16/sean-long-exclusive-i-gave-gleeson-banned-drugs-gleeson-scapegoat-in-cover-up-160103/[/url
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