Even the frogs could win by 20 against that lot

New Zealand coach Stephen Kearney today ruled eight players out of his squad for the Gillette Four Nations series.

Melbourne forward Sika Manu, already out with an ankle injury, has been joined on the sidelines by South Sydney prop Roy Asotasi, Newcastle back rower Zeb Taia, Wests Tigers winger Taniela Tuiaki and the New Zealand Warriors quartet of Simon Mannering, Sam Rapira, Jerome Ropati and Manu Vatuvei.

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Briscoe
Fox
Gleeson
Shenton
Hall
S Tomkins
Burrow
Morley
Roby
Peacock
Ellis
Louis McCarthy-Scarsbrook
O'Loughlin

S Burgess
Graham
S Moore
Wild

1. S Briscoe
2. P Fox
3. M Gleeson
4. R Atkins/M Shenton
5. R Hall
6. D McGuire
7. R Burrow
8. J Graham
9. S Moore
10. J Peacock
11. S Burgess
12. G Ellis
13. K Sinfield
14. J Roby
15. A Morley
16. E Crabtree
17. JJB/Wilkin/Wild
I'd expect the likes of Myler, Tomkins/Ratchford to play against France but Burrow and McGuire to play against the Aussies and Kiwi's.

Oooooh, Jarryd Hayne.

Four Nations presentation video.

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Sh*t, that's some blow. Starting to wonder if rookie, Daniel Vidot, may snag a squad spot. If I recall correctly, they blooded Inu after one first-grade match, mostly based on his Premier League performancs.

The final Kiwi squad will be interesting.

Vidot deserves a spot more than Luke Covell, he's been lucky to keep his place in a shocking Sharks team this year so how he gets in the NZ squad is beyond me.

As it stands ATM, I would pick

Pryce
Raynor
Senior
Shenton
Hall
McGuire
Brough - Goalkicker
Graham
Moore
Morley
Ellis
Peacock - Capt
Burgess

Fa'savalu
Carvell
Roby
JJB

I would go for the biggest pack availale as I feel this would give us the best chance to compete with NZ/AUS.

One thing that stands out for me when picking this team is how short we are on quality centres and wingers. I really didnt want to put Senior in there as he has come up short on many occasions against the aussies but the fact i sthat this season he has been the best british centre by a mile, and all the other ritish wingers mentioned would just get murdered when returning the ball from the backfield.

Also only picked pryce at 1 as if we are playing with Burgess at 13 we need a 3rd pivot, a role which any of the Briscoes, Wellens, Blaymire etc wouldn't be able to do.

Wild etc. Think I would go for Gilmore as he is the best defender of that lot and also a very elusive runner!

England centre Ryan Atkins has pulled out of this autumn's Four Nations tournament.

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As i scrolled thru all the pages of posts & selection options it really became obvious of the lack of quality backs.
Just no depth, wish there was!

A point I made on the Wigan board five minutes ago.

I was hoping someone would come up wqith a couple of names that i hadn't thought of, but unfortunately not. It looks pretty dire TBH.

Theres not much depth in many positions. Like ive said many times, we struggle to put to together a quality 17 whereas the Aussies struggle to get down to 17. Its scary how much more quality they have then England does...

National sport vs minority sport. It's no real surprise they have a bigger pool to choose from.
Before someone says it, New Zealand benefit greatly from a having a team in the best league in the world and numerous players playing first team rugby in both the NRL and Super League.
More Europeans in the NRL please.

Thats the key to improving national teams in Europe

Dya think Jarryd Hayne will sign my arm?

what about europe-english side-team based in australia . play in the NRL

Yea we can take over the West Tigers, they have got 2 poms now, lets get more

Brown joins up with Kiwis.

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Castleford's Michael Shenton has been added to England's train-on squad for the end-of-season internationals.
Westerman and Jock McBrough have been left out.

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Pryce to full back isn't a bad idea.

putting him in the is a better one..

true. Our backs are very poor.